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[Rainbow]

Not really sure where to post this topic but this isn't all that wrong I guess.

So I want to buy a camera, mostly for photography and I need a good filming device aswell. Full HD that is. I will mostly shoot sports or nature and I guess I need it to be decent in low light enviroment. My budget is around 400-500 euro's and I got no clue whatsoever about this. I know that lenses are generally the most expensive part but knowledge of that is even further away.

HALP 

[MxZz.]

Canon EOS 650D
Pentax K-5
Sigma SD15
Canon 60D
Nikon D5200


One of those, although I'd love to get the canon 650d

Canon EOS 650D / Rebel T4i : Official Quality Test Video [HD]
Canon EOS 650D / Rebel T4i : Official Release Video 2 [HD]

[Rainbow]

Can't find the 650D cheaper then €520 and that is without a lens D:

[MxZz.]

I'd tell you to wait a bit more and get it, it's totally worth it Otherwise, check the other ones.

[Daffy]

Just get a D600/6D right away instead of justifying every step on the way there to yourself as that's what the part of the next 6 years of life is gonna be made up of anyway.
If you can't afford it consider sucking dicks/taking dicks up the ass, and if it's north worth sucking/taking dicks for that camera you're probably not interested in it anyway and should reconsider.

[Artifex]

600D for the budget

http://www.redcoon.nl/B305555-Canon-EOS-600D-18-55-IS-II-EU-Model_Spiegelreflexcameras?refId=kieskeurig

It has the default kitlens but w/e you can get a different one later

[Rainbow]

Just get a D600/6D right away instead of justifying every step on the way there to yourself as that's what the part of the next 6 years of life is gonna be made up of anyway.
If you can't afford it consider sucking dicks/taking dicks up the ass, and if it's not worth sucking/taking dicks for that camera you're probably not interested in it anyway and should reconsider.

Well I am not going to earn 700€ in the next week by sucking dick that's for sure. Found 200 extra though so I guess I'll go for the 650D. Found it for 549 somewhere. Open for other suggestions still. Just not the ones that require me to be interested. I'll up the price range till 600-650.

[Daffy]

Well I am not going to earn 700€ in the next week by sucking dick that's for sure.

Not with that attitude 

Found 200 extra though so I guess I'll go for the 650D. Found it for 549 somewhere. Open for other suggestions still. Just not the ones that require me to be interested. I'll up the price range till 600-650.

I'd say it depends on what you're needs are, if you're going to submerge yourself into this field, learn the technical aspects of it and have it as a hobby or even make money of it I'd pick up either the Nikon D5200 or the Canon EOS 650D as there's a huge jungle of different lenses you can get for these systems.
I'd pick the Nikon out of those two as I really like what they have been doing lately with the extra dynamic range their sensors are able to pick up and the fact that you can use lenses made for these smaller sensors also on Full-Frame bodies in crop-mode until you invest in full-frame sensors which you can't with Canon's system.
That said, if this is a one-and-done where you're looking for a point-and-shoot camera with no urge to get a technical understanding or no wish to add lenses and other accessories to your system, just a single bang-for-your-buck kinda thing I'd get the Pentax as it's basically a better (weather-sealed) camera than the competitors which you'd have to pay 500 bucks more for if you wanted the same from a Canon/Nikon/whateverthefuck camera.

Pentax K-5II:
+ The best camera (http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-650D-vs-Pentax-K-5-II)
+ Easy to get started with
- The smallest user community
- Not really a solid foundation for later upgrades

Canon EOS 650D:
+ Superior video features (hybrid auto-focus+touch-screen)
+ Easy to get started with
- Gets stomped on a technical level (http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-650D-vs-Nikon-D5200)

Nikon D5200
+ Technically superior (http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-650D-vs-Nikon-D5200)
+ Easy to get started with
- Lacks the 650D's auto-focus/touch-screen


I hope this helps, feel free to ask if there's anything more you wanna know or if it's something you're uncertain of.

[Rainbow]

The video features are very important to me because I will be filming as much as making some neat pictures. I have  a decent knowledge about things like ISO and color depth but where it lacks in my head is the knowledge of lenses. Apart from the physics of them. I simply don't know how I can tell if a lens is what I need and what not. I tried googling a few times but all I get is crappy forums with hardly any help. And the non-forum sites are about the same when it comes to information. I just don't know where to start with learning about them. So yea, I understand most of the features but lenses WHE D: Reading that there are 169 available is even more puzzling.

I am not in it for making money or being a true professional, but I am not aiming to be a Japanese tourist either. I am guessing it is mostly going to be a hobby. A hobby which will be tied to bouldering (low height rock climbing) for 60-80% of the time.

[GDL]

I don't really know anything about cameras, but I know that if you're looking for some really good lenses you shouldn't be afraid to spend a big amount of money.

From what I've read I think you would be satisfied with any decent semi-professional camera. But if you think you might fall in love with photography and/of film making just save a bit more money for a better camera that can be upgrated later on. Don't go for the full set just yet.

[Rainbow]

I don't really know anything about cameras, but I know that if you're looking for some really good lenses you shouldn't be afraid to spend a big amount of money.

From what I've read I think you would be satisfied with any decent semi-professional camera. But if you think you might fall in love with photography and/of film making just save a bit more money for a better camera that can be upgrated later on. Don't go for the full set just yet.

I know they will cost me. But it doesn't hurt to know your stuff 

[Daffy]

The video features are very important to me because I will be filming as much as making some neat pictures. I have  a decent knowledge about things like ISO and color depth but where it lacks in my head is the knowledge of lenses. Apart from the physics of them. I simply don't know how I can tell if a lens is what I need and what not. I tried googling a few times but all I get is crappy forums with hardly any help. And the non-forum sites are about the same when it comes to information. I just don't know where to start with learning about them. So yea, I understand most of the features but lenses WHE D: Reading that there are 169 available is even more puzzling.

I am not in it for making money or being a true professional, but I am not aiming to be a Japanese tourist either. I am guessing it is mostly going to be a hobby. A hobby which will be tied to bouldering (low height rock climbing) for 60-80% of the time.

Well each brand has different abbreviations/labels for the same function, here's a good list where you can figure out what it all means.
http://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/dslr-camera-lenses-and-their-abbreviations/

As for the video side of the cameras the Nikon D5200 and the Canon EOS 650D has their own strengths.
The Canon EOS 650D has a touch-screen that you can use to adjust focus manually along with a software one that also helps out while the Nikon D5200 has more dynamic range which means a less contrast-y image and a less vivid one so you have more color data to adjust with later during editing and a bit better high-ISO performance that basically means a cleaner image at higher ISO's.

All in all with that said I would definitively get the Nikon, not a lot has been happening in Canon's camp since the Canon EOS 550D and the same can be said about their other series too.

[Rainbow]

I have been justifying spending the extra 100 bucks and I guess I am taking the D5200. It's still in my price range and I cannot seem to find a better camera. The graphical set-up menu sounds pretty neat aswell for someone who needs to figure nearly everything.

[Daffy]

Here's a site I can highly recommend to teach you the inner workings of a camera in a very easy graphically described way.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/

[Rainbow]

Since about 15 seconds ago I am the owner of a D5200  Thanks for the help guys and I will check out that site now^