Warning the modders

[Rusch69]

It's pissing me (and MANY others) off to see some fags obviously modding stunts and not admitting they did. They're even reoffending most of the times and don't fucking get it that modded stuff doesn't belong to the un-modded subboard. That's clearly a repeating breach on purpose which really should get handled with warnings and bans following when they keep on doing. Yes, you can not always proof that a thing was modded, but there has been so many obvious bullshit. Lets get rid of that then, it'd be a first step at least.

Some modding fags will just change their nickname whenever they got banned and will pop up again with a fakeaccount. Many of them even will still mod as they used to before. That way they're breaking a rule once again:

10. No multi-accounting. If you want your name changed, PM an admin.

Those fags don't get it, they've to get banned over and over again.

People deserve a second chance (Tack is a good example here I guess). Either people tell straightly that their stunts were modded and post them in the correct section or gain a warning. Whoever gains 3 warnings gets a straight ban, they've had their chance to be honest or to stop modding.

WARN/BAN THOSE FAGS!!!!!

[PrzemOO]

I agree, too many people lost possible stunts to those modding fags

[MeetMyMeat]

I actually thought about making a topic like this suggesting not to ban them (unless they behave like macc or certain other stunters I don't wish to provoke again) since it's useless, but to simply delete their videos.

[Determined]

Put their vids in a Hall of Shame section 

[Noah]

How about warning them the first time they mod, then banning them if they do it again? Only problem is they'll just work harder to hide it I guess..

[m3rrix]

Perhaps this will only make things worse but...

Do we really need to differentiate between modded and unmodded video sections? How about just one section for VC and one section for SA releases. Sounds kind of silly but I'll explain why I think this would work.

For the last TMS video there were a lot of accusations that BK modded his stunts. I don't think this is true but who can really say. If he did then he is a fuckwit who is spoiling spots for others. If he isn't then his spots were brilliant enough to push the boundaries of what many of us feel can be done in the VC engine. In any case I think it was a good thing that TMSers did not delete modding accusations and I'm sure as fuck glad some admin didn't move our vid to a 'modded TMS' subsection.

Perhaps it is best to let the community decide - let stunters be judged by their peers - and not someone with the power to move topics around. Perhaps BK is too grey an example but I think TMS and WH have both shown that such judgement and pressure can be enough to weed out the cheaters.

I have little tolerance for people who mod but shouldn't it be enough that we be allowed to raise our suspicions in thieir topic and not poison their name by having something they worked on pushed into the mud?

[TurBo]

Well said rusch, not really much to add, thanks for linking.

[灰野 敬二]

For the last TMS video there were a lot of accusations that BK modded his stunts. I don't think this is true but who can really say. If he did then he is a fuckwit who is spoiling spots for others. If he isn't then his spots were brilliant enough to push the boundaries of what many of us feel can be done in the VC engine

If it's uncertain a stunt is modded or not, we can't do anything really. We should only warn the people that clearly modded, like Dan or Promagic for example. They're all a bunch of boring retards.
However, they can't ruin the great time many of us have here, no matter how many they are, but I have to agree with Rusch anyways.

[m3rrix]

Better the evil you know than the one you don't. Short of turning this into a private forum there is really nothing we can do to stop banned modders returning with a new account a clean slate.

[MeetMyMeat]

Uhm not really, m3rrix. Removing from the forum the obviously modded vids, where possible stunts were "disgraced", will eventually stop them from making any future attempts of going at it again with new accounts/new promises of staying clean, because all they want is attention. Positive or negative, it doesn't really matter to them since they're getting it.

[Rusch69]

I actually thought about making a topic like this suggesting not to ban them (unless they behave like macc or certain other stunters I don't wish to provoke again) since it's useless, but to simply delete their videos.

Hard measure, but that'd be fine aswell since they don't seem to learn where to post their modded videos. The modded video section is supposed to include fun modding videos, but instead it's just a bin-like collection of moved videos off the un-modded one.

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How about warning them the first time they mod, then banning them if they do it again? Only problem is they'll just work harder to hide it I guess..

That warning/banning stuff is pretty much what my opening post included. That problem you thought of is already here. Some are modding obviously and others hardly try to hide it. We could get rid of the obvious ones at least that way so far.

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@m3rrix: You can't always tell if a stunt was (un)modded or not. But a fact is that many people won't stop modding. Those modders know where their videos belong to, but since nobody is interested in the modded videos section and they wanna get attention (sounds weird, but people seem to be like that these days lol), they post their videos on the un-modded one on purpose. They don't even mind getting flamed nor complain about their videos getting moved to the modded section since they know it's the right place over there then.

[XTO --]

You said it yourself Rusch, you can't proove that someone mods or not. Lemme take an example. I've got replays from someone in a network crew who had obvious boosts in it. Showed it to FlatFace and he said he wouldn't do anything about it because it would be way too harsh. Although, the mods were visible.

For some sort of things, people are way too blind to really see what's happening, and spotting mods is something that most of people here are not used to, I mean, spotting the ones who are able to actually hide these mods.

I believe this "war" against modders will never end, and still, the way this community over-reacts to a guy who mods is so grotesque that he (or she) are warning themselves.

Imo, starting to ban and warn modders are only getting this forum deeper, atleast, that's the way I see it

[m3rrix]

Uhm not really, m3rrix. Removing from the forum the obviously modded vids, where possible stunts were "disgraced", will eventually stop them from making any future attempts of going at it again with new accounts/new promises of staying clean, because all they want is attention. Positive or negative, it doesn't really matter to them since they're getting it.

Hmmm... I think you are probably right about the attention seeking.  It's a bit of a tough one. I guess I'm a little uncomfortable with giving our admins the power to delete videos outright. I would prefer the attention seekers were just ignored but perhaps that's not really possible.

I have seen a few collabs moved to the modded section that only one person has modded in. It doesn't seem right to me that everyone should be punished for one clown.

@m3rrix: You can't always tell if a stunt was (un)modded or not. But a fact is that many people won't stop modding. Those modders know where their videos belong to, but since nobody is interested in the modded videos section and they wanna get attention (sounds weird, but people seem to be like that these days lol), they post their videos on the un-modded one on purpose. They don't even mind getting flamed nor complain about their videos getting moved to the modded section since they know it's the right place over there then.

But if the modded and unmodded sections were combined then it would no longer be possible to troll in this way... It would be liek: 'Hey man. Nice vid. I particularly liked the modded stunt at 1:15. Good job finding it. What gravity setting did you use?' Ok, maybe not but I think it might let the gold rise and the shit stink without all the bitching we have now.

[FIGHTER]

in vc you can cleary see it in rads and how fast someone comes out of rads

[Rainbow]

And that is because of the solid 30 FPS VC plays on.. SA plays at different FPS´s when people go FL-off  Stopping it in VC is way easier then in SA though, but that's because the FPS is not very solid me thinks.. unless its pretty obvious

Ow and I agree on Rusch, banning certain people, IP and nickname would be nice.. and when they come back just do it again and again and again.. I'm getting tired of people just destroying spots like they are nothing with blatant grav/handling hacks/modifications..