Wasteland Heroes - Devour II

[Ed]

This is a really interesting video, interesting topic and interesting discussions going.
Well, the editing style is really similar like the other WH videos, but it's not really big problem as for me. The stunts were too awesome, even strange for me. Maybe because I prefer mostly precisions and grinds instead of landing a roof.

[Daffy]

After the rather huge number of posts about people's contempt for the video I have made a couple of observations.
And it's cool if you don't like the video, that's your opinion which you are entitled too and have the right to share.
But some of you react like you were offended by it and if we intended to offend you which are of course beyond retarded.
What you need to realize is that some people enjoy different aspects of stunting and I won't use the out of context word fun to differentiate this.
Most big-air stunts do require more time, that's just how it is and has been and you have to come to terms with that to understand the point I'm trying to get across here.
The way I see it people who do big-air stunts also enjoys the mentality you need to kind of tap into to be able to build enough patience and dedication to land whatever they're trying, at least that's how it used to be for me.
Yes it was tiring at times and mentally demanding but the feeling of accomplishment when finally landing it was also a lot greater since I had to push myself.
Now the people who does stunts that requires less air have for the most not done a lot of big-air stunts, perhaps some by luck after trying for a short while of course but have never spent a month on a stunt which is also fine and is kind of what I do, open the game and give some spots a couple of shots for some low-effort amusement every now and then.
But since you enjoy that I don't get why you have to go and condemn the stunts of those who are willing to put down more time into landing their stunts.
To give you an example or paint a picture I'll use the mentality between smokers and non-smokers.
Put a smoker and a non-smoker on a street somewhere with; let’s say 10 meters between them so the non-smoker can't smell the smokers smoke.
In most of these events the fact that one of them is a smoker will annoy the non-smoker more than the smoker even though the non-smoker is feeling no effects of the smoke other than the fact that it's present and it's the same damn thing those of you who enjoys more low-effort kind of stunts which you childishly cloak with titles as fun or creative stunts and it's pretentious and sadly you won't be able to realize this as you're either not able to put yourself in our shoes or not willing to spend a shitload of time on a stunt just to have it shit on by idiots like yourself.

With that said I do thank those of you who did post positive and/or constructive comments for being an awesome person.

[Laketown]

I have to commend you on the convoluted example you gave, that gets a 10/10

also you are being pretentious too seeing as how these "low effort" stunts are childish and dumb an all (they could never be as good as a great 200ft pb right), and if you honestly HONESTLY give a shit that some people were naysaying your video well I don't know what to say, because stunting is not worth getting all pissy about.

[RedX]

Variety is the key, look at unorthodox, which many praise as the greatest stunting video of all time.

Also remember that most impressive isn't always best. I don't think that that many people showed contempt for this video in this topic. Several people, including myself, pointed out that more technical stuff would be great, like in the last couple of SA videos. Don't try to tell me you can't spend months attempting to land grinds or other combos.

[boxXx]

amen mister daffy.
and red, no it usually takes a couple of minutes to land a "grind" or other so called "technical" stunts, i mean there's a difference between a grind and a grind, there are as daffy stated several ways to land stunts, do a huge fucking p2b to grind or do a stoppie of a roof and grind a rail which is 6ft off the ground and also grindable by pulling a wheelie.

[kaneda]

Couple of minutes? I dunno what grinds you're trying 

[вαℓυ]

Couple of minutes? I dunno what grinds you're trying  

This.

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Also Daffy, I don't understand your logic, it's basically the same as of the people who wanted to see technical stuff only yours is reveresed so I don't see how that proves your point. Don't act like you don't know what creativity is, a high air stunt can be creative and a stunt doesn't have to be high air to be good. Also BoxXx, couple of minutes? You're just belittling yourself by showing how little you know about the technical side of stunting. Take Burn's multiple stoppies/wheelies to grind from OnSlaught in LS as an example, no fucking packer bump to high air grind would be able to beat that, at least in my eyes. That's creativity, landing something way beyond the usual, can't believe you guys are blind when some of your own crew mates land stuff beyond creativity, I know it's an example from a SA video but I was speaking generally. Like I said, don't act like you don't know what creativity is, defining it as low-air unimpressive grinds, is just a plain stupid assumption.

[kaneda]

If I may offer my opinion without making it appear as though I'm refuting or diminishing anyone else's.

I agree with some of Daff's points, but not with others. Big air stunts require time, patience and dedication - absolutely. But assuming that guarantees praise and adulation from everyone (not that you said that, but it was kinda implied) is your mistake, not everyone else's. Everyone's got their own tastes in what stunts they like to do, and also when it comes to what stunts they like to see. I think there's definitely been a tangible degree of venom in a lot of the responses to this vid - which, for the most part, is totally uncalled for. But when you say things like 'childishly cloaking' and 'more low-effort', you're not helping your cause at all. Your argument is centred around lack of appreciation because people don't see the effort or time put into some stunts, but then you use blanket terms like low-effort. I know from experience that some of the simplest looking stunts can be the most fiendish. You'd have to know that too, surely.

But I totally agree that people who don't do a lot of big air stunts (myself included) have difficulty appreciating them. There are definitely a handful of members here who need to put up or shut up. I'll take this argument (diplomatically, of course) to boxXx - show us some grinds. Some hard ones too  .

Anyways, I can sympathize with people disregarding stunts at the drop of a hat, but that's the chance you take when you put your stuff out for public consumption. Take the good with the bad.

[RedX]

BoxXx, all my post stated was that a grind can be just as hard as big-air stunts. Read more thoroughly next time.

[Mythic]

Couple of minutes? I dunno what grinds you're trying 

Comparing stunts that take weeks to a stunt that takes some hours, that's what you can call a "couple of minutes".

Ain't all true though, it may take weeks too when it comes to double grinds or ledge grinds. They're cool.

[Daffy]

When I wrote "low-effort stunts cloaked as creative or fun stunts" I did literally mean low-effort stunts, I for one have found myself beginning to have thing for combos and dare I say technical stunts.
I have no intention to bash styles of stunting that are different or even compare their dick-size to each other, my problem is with the comments the big-air stunts in our video got and I do not mind the lack of appreciation or as some would say worship our past videos did get but rather what seems to be a intolerance or prejudice against big-air stunts in general which is an impression one can get from some of the comments.
I will agree that there could have been more variety but when we do a sequel to a video mainly dominated by big-air stunts and we're rather known for having a big amount of members that appreciates big-air stunts this really shouldn't come as that big off a surprise.

To sum it up I'm not looking for us to be put on a pedestal and worshiped, I just think these guys deserve some respect for all the time they've put down in the kinda stunts they prefer to do though you might have a different preference for what kinda stunts that you find appealing.

[FIGHTER]

it makes so sense how long a stunt takes. on the other hand i land stevex p2b2 pilar maybe in 3 tries for example. and I why should they need more respect then other members only cuz they waste 3 weeks on a stunt thats a joke Sir.

[DriZzly]

and I why should they need more respect then other members only cuz they waste 3 weeks on a stunt thats a joke Sir.

"deserve some respect for all the time they've put down in the kinda stunts they prefer to do though you might have a different preference for what kinda stunts that you find appealing."
by daffy

[FIGHTER]

No i wasnt trying to take them down. I wanted to point out: everyone should get here the same respect visitor or stunter even someone who didnt land a stunt in ages should get the same respect. everyone is the same.
also Bluster landed the  hyman condo within 48hrs but Daffy spended 1 month he said. you can see. for the same way Daffy had landed it in 2 tries. I dont think someone ' need' 'should' 'get' more respect for the time he spended on it.

[KillaMarci]

Ah yeah. Dreaming of democracy.

A dream that is never going to be realized.