the camera work was really a let down and brought the video down, i literally cant see shit and everyting looks like bugged freeplay cameras
i hope there will be a re-edit of that because the stunts seemed to be top quality (maybe except for the first minute or two)
and nice execution of that idea with white and red variations of the textures

It's really funny that it's 2022 and people feel the need to make burner accounts to leave negative feedback lol, given that absolutely nobody else had issues seeing the stunts and 99% of the feedback for the camera work is positive maybe you're due an eye test.

Exceptional production from start to end, the mindset to be able to find spots like those and the routes to take are fucking brilliant. In a way it almost feels like a culmination of events leading up to this point, pushing the boundaries of whats possible with both stunting and editing in the same way UnorthodoX shook up the community 15 years ago. Personal favourites would be the AP P2B 2 Grind and the PSM wallkick MAG 2 Grind, one of the few times I've genuinely been lost for words at a stunt video.

I'd write more but lets be real the video speaks for itself, fucking outstanding to both of you.

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Please no

Why tho? 

Would be handled better by someone like Blaze imho

I'd respectfully disagree as given that GTAS is a community that is sadly dwindling, I don't think we have the luxury of picking and choosing who organizes community projects and in my eyes anyone who is willing to put in the time, effort and dedication for a community video deserves commendation. With a proven track record of being able to get projects done, I see no reason as to why if the community was interested, that Nem couldn't be the one handling it (if he genuinely wants to at least). Even if there is some underlying hostility between yourself and Nem there's no denying he did a brilliant job with not only the organization of Exsequor, in which he managed to pull a few OG's out of retirement which is a feat in itself but also his previous collaborations and projects - Final Call, Dystopia, Satan extra etc all have stacked lineups with a high quality of stunts and great editing to boot.

In an ideal world this post would include a live reaction but the quality would be subpar considering I'd seen betas and was somewhat involved with the whole project, so hopefully this somewhat detailed rambling has some type of value to it.

Initial thoughts after watching were strong classic community vibes reminiscent of stuff like Connected, Interlocked, etc. Personally, intros in stunt videos have always been a bit hit or miss for me as they often end up being a convoluted mismatch of camhack angles and bad voiceovers with no real plot that just ends up padding the runtime and is ultimately skipped. You guys managed to put out the exact polar opposite; a well scripted into that ties into the theme of the video having time constraints, funny voiceover lines and an overall value that really sets the tone for the rest of the video.

Stunting wise I won't really get into it too much as it's a bit redundant given the amount of feedback received already, but it was a nice mix of older spots relanded with some new spots and ideas peppered in there for good measure. I will say though, for the longest time it always seemed like stunting was mostly split into two separate categories or disciplines; the bigair guys and the creative guys (obviously there is a large amount of semantics that goes into that, it's not black and white) - and then you get someone like Dannye who resides in his own box and has such an obscure yet fascinating way of finding spots and conjuring up ideas that realistically nobody else would ever have the mindset to think of. Most stunters interact with the environment around them whereas Dannye forces the environment to interact with him, and that plane of thinking opens up a pandora's box of opportunities for stunts.

It's also somewhat interesting to look at the progression of stunting and how a stunt such as the Trashmaster bump to condo roof in Staunton by Haywire was originally landed by Feron in 2009, was by all accounts a fairly mindblowing stunt residing in one of the best stunt videos of all time, and now stunts like that or of equal caliber can be landed relatively quickly for a 48 hour video.

Editing and production wise, I think you both managed to smash it out the park. Putting the flaws aside, taking on a project that rivals the length and replay count of community videos is no small undertaking and managing to edit and release it in such a short timeframe is even more impressive, and I wouldn't get hung up on a couple of camera shakes or slightly misaligned angles as I don't think they detracted from the video in any way, shape or form. The angles and framing were great, and it's brilliant to see a 2 person stunt that isn't confined to Freeplay static angles and Vegas cookie cutter plugin to bring the two together, so shout out to Simon for developing that tool and showing what can be done with it as it really opens up more avenues of creativity for editors to use in the future.

It's one of those projects where everything just works - the soundtrack pairing up with the stunts, angles flowing into one another and the pacing/ordering of the stunts all coming together to create a well rounded, cohesive and enjoyable video. I don't want to turn this into some half baked glory days nostalgia post, but it really did have the same feeling as say Hypokryts, Interlocked or any other community based project from that time which I guess it's a given when you have two stunters from that time period putting the video together. Like everything, it's all subjective but that era (07-09) was atleast to me the best era for editing - it was far enough into stuntings lifespan that people had got to grips with using proper editing software, but not too far ahead like when videos started focusing a bit too much on being a polished, professional production. It's refreshing to take it back and have a video that uses what would be considered the generic formula/template for a stunting video - solid intro, prog rock type of songs, borders with nametags etc. It might be a bit outdated now and maybe didn't hold up too well in older videos but for this project it worked great.

Overall, an absolutely brilliant video from start to finish with a solid turnout and effort from both stunters and editors alike, and I'm glad I managed to pull a stunt out of my ass at the 11th hour to be a part of it.

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just fuckin with ya, good vid - bobby puleo type vibes on some of the spots. good shit.

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If I remember correctly, Kaneda you should be 48 now. But Neo was the oldest of us.

Give that man my oxygen tank.

...wait...

And Neo is the older of us two. I'm guessing he'd be late 50's by now.

Have you heard from Neo at all in the last couple of years? Tried to contact him a few years back via GTAForums about his VC retexture packs and got no response, last active on there in 2019.

When you're talking nearly two decades worth of stunting history, it's very hard to condense the subject matter into something that's easily digestible that gets the point across without going off on a tangent. For (to the best of my knowledge anyway) someone with an outsider looking in perspective, it'd be very hard to truly understand the nuances and impact of certain videos, stunters and crews - even then, a lot of it is subjective and no doubt no matter how much research, time and effort you put into it, there'll always be someone with their panties in a bunch over not being included. If this was intended to be a comprehensive documentation of GTAStunting as a community I could understand the issues with x video or x stunter not being included, but as a general overview and history of stunting I think Dab has absolutely excelled himself here with the research he put into this, and that shows in the final product.

What this really proposes is why it took someone from outside the stunting community to put in the time and effort to create a documentary on this, as opposed to stunters themselves? Not to take away from any of Dab's work, but a lot of the information contained in his video was taken directly from here, and creating a stunting wiki has been discussed a few times but never came to fruition.

With the creation of GTASDB and the archival of videos, the recent discovery of what video was truly first, almost two decades worth of history right here on the forum alongside plenty of older stunters still being active, we could arguably create a comprehensive timeline of GTAStunting from inception to current day. This could also potentially help bridge the disconnect between the older era of stunters, and those stunting in newer engines.

Of course, it's a lot of work and I'm personally willing to put in the time if others are.

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