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GTAStunting Leagues => Past Stunt Leagues => GTAStunting League - San Andreas => SASL 5 => Topic started by: FELIX on June 27, 2011, 08:08:59 AM
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Keep it friendly & fair. That's all!
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Good job, you just took it a step too far. I'm gonna take my time and criticize considering you are a judge. Seriously, stop being so overprotective, your behavior achieved you the exact opposite. Instead of making this league fun and fair as you want it you are making it annoying as **** by complaining everywhere. I got some news, things don't always go the way you want it. All the previous SASLs had unfair or random votes but only minor complaints followed, because everyone simply has different tastes and opinions. You are the first one to make such a huge fuss out of it and that just totally kills the fun aspect in every way.
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Good job, you just took it a step too far. I'm gonna take my time and criticize considering you are a judge. Seriously, stop being so overprotective, your behavior achieved you the exact opposite. Instead of making this league fun and fair as you want it you are making it annoying as **** by complaining everywhere. I got some news, things don't always go the way you want it. All the previous SASLs had unfair or random votes but only minor complaints followed, because everyone simply has different tastes and opinions. You are the first one to make such a huge fuss out of it and that just totally kills the fun aspect in every way.
Please point out where I was overprotective with quotes cause I can't follow you at the moment.
Also by private messages that I got I can say I am not as bad as you call me. I qill quote one for you:
"It's really good to see that there are good judges at this sasl. Not saying I should have won but you were the only judge at my match that actually had a good thinking."
Don't want to look cocky again / get all flame on me. It's just that you always come up with weird things that I don't fully understand. And please don't start a flame war.
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What I mean is that you are striving for something good, but you totally missed the point doing it and got blind during the process. Of course there has been some nonsense, even I have seen some shit where I thought "What the fuck are these judges thinking?!". But the whole point of having 7 judges is to have as much different opinions as possible.
When I say overprotective, I mean that you are trying to protect the harmony and fun and fairness in this league, but by doing so you've only became annoying by responding or facepalming every judge you don't agree with. If every member here did that then we probably would have 10 facepalms on each decision per judge.
My point is that with these things there will always be moments people disagree, theres even moments people lose SASLs because of stupid judging (the example I gave you of MMM losing a SASL while he was obviously the better one). It just comes natural with these kind of things, and you can try and white-knight as much as you can, and make it real boring for everyone, or you can just accept it and move on, because in the end it's all just a game and it's all just for fun.
Basically what I'm trying to say is (in a non offense way):
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Also by private messages that I got I can say I am not as bad as you call me. I qill quote one for you:
"It's really good to see that there are good judges at this sasl. Not saying I should have won but you were the only judge at my match that actually had a good thinking."
As for this point, I never said you were a bad judge. Like I said, every judge is different and for that matter every member on this forum has a different opinion. So you receiving one PM which shows someone is happy just shows how subjective this whole thing is. I bet there's 10 people who could send the same PM and 10 people who could send the exact opposite.
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So in short version you want me to hide my true opinions about others?
Not going to happen. Thanks for letting me know how you think tho.
You probably don't even know the reason why I made this topic. It was about Rusch saying participants were afraid to say what they think about a few judges so I made this topic to let them know that we care about what they think. I did not open this topic so me (myself) can start giving critics about the other judges. And I never facepalmed or complained about judges. I just said that I disagree and in one case I pointed out that both stunts are old because almost all judges said one is new and they said that it really made them vote for the "fake new" stunt. And would you like to lose vs an old stunt that people claim to be new basing their judging on it? no!
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Also by private messages that I got I can say I am not as bad as you call me. I qill quote one for you:
"It's really good to see that there are good judges at this sasl. Not saying I should have won but you were the only judge at my match that actually had a good thinking."
This, that was exatly what I was saying to petar the other day, you vote to much for a back-up judge. You give your opinion but some regular judge could have another one that change the game. So it's unfair to the other competitor who didn't had "the luck" to get your vote on their match.
I think at each match, the same judges should vote, it's at the very end of the process that the back-up judge would come out.
Just my two cents here.
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Also by private messages that I got I can say I am not as bad as you call me. I qill quote one for you:
"It's really good to see that there are good judges at this sasl. Not saying I should have won but you were the only judge at my match that actually had a good thinking."
This, that was exatly what I was saying to petar the other day, you vote to much for a back-up judge. You give your opinion but some regular judge could have another one that change the game. So it's unfair to the other competitor who didn't had "the luck" to get your vote on their match.
I think at each match, the same judges should vote, it's at the very end of the process that the back-up judge would come out.
Just my two cents here.
That's why there is a 24h rule. people have been complaining about lazy judges not responding and Petar asks me almost everyday to vote so I do. Also in the time when Petar is in holidays he offered me to lead the tournament and become a main judge because... as you pointed out: I vote alot and instead of thanking me for keeping it running you only see a negative point in it.
Without a strong back of other judges behind me I don't want to lead this tournament or be a judge any longer.
Thanks for offering it tho Petar. GTAS is going down! :ajaja:
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I just said that I disagree and in one case I pointed out that both stunts are old because almost all judges said one is new and they said that it really made them vote for the "fake new" stunt. And would you like to lose vs an old stunt that people claim to be new basing their judging on it? no!
ye that's what happened to me... Seriously put yourself in my position... On my match vs Genyus, we both had old stunts, someone posted in our match topic that mine and Genyus stunts were old, and what do I see after that? Judges voting for Genyus because he had a "new" stunt. I mean, really? And cloudwalker also posted after that Genyus stunt was old, and ANOTHER judge votes again for Genyus because of a new stunt... That really disapointed me.
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Go lock some other topics. opened. This topic isn't only for me. Other's still have the option to post. If you have any problems with me ---> send it as PM. Thanks!
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Keep it friendly & fair. That's all!
Are people supposed to reply to this? Closed, YOU can continue your conversation with genyus via pm :lol:
Drama queen of 2011.
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Keep it friendly & fair. That's all!
Are people supposed to reply to this? Closed, YOU can continue your conversation with genyus via pm :lol:
Drama queen of 2011.
Just as with SS you are really going for it. Re-opened. Disciplo used it to express his opinion already. Others can do the same. I told you to send me a PM if you have a problem with me but you ignored it and replied to this topic and even closed it. Uncool. Oh btw I don't care what you say about me! :lol:
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7 judges are too much actually imo. The other leagues had 'just' 5 and that worked actually better as there wasn't such a long ass judging process and those guys were at least all rather trust worthy. Sorry to say and that's nothing personal, but I don't see Simon, Raining & cloudwalker as matching guys for that job. The first two I named simply just rather belong to VC imo and the third guy should stop acting up as ND said. The previous league, SASL3, even had just 3 judges left in the final and it worked out though.
I'm going to say this once again - I know you guys try to come up with new challenge ideas, but you shall keep them a tad more simple and clear. My latest as example was described somewhat inconvenient. You just could've said 'Best car precision.' and that's it lol. Also be totally specific when it comes to usage of something, just wanna remind you of MtS' match...
/Topic - feed the cloudwalker. That is what I mean with acting up...
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Ok. This is now an official thread for whining publically. Enjoy it I guess, if it's such a big deal for you, but it creeps me out personally.
And stop saying to everyone they have a problem with you, will ya? Not everything revolves around you.
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Ok. This is now an official thread for whining publically. Enjoy it I guess, if it's such a big deal for you, but it creeps me out personally.
And stop saying to everyone they have a problem with you, will ya? Not everything revolves around you.
Yep.
7 judges are too much actually imo. The other leagues had 'just' 5 and that worked actually better as there wasn't such a long ass judging process and those guys were at least all rather trust worthy. Sorry to say and that's nothing personal, but I don't see Simon, Raining & cloudwalker as matching guys for that job. The first two I named simply just rather belong to VC imo and the third guy should stop acting up as ND said. The previous league, SASL3, even had just 3 judges left in the final and it worked out though.
I'm going to say this once again - I know you guys try to come up with new challenge ideas, but you shall keep them a tad more simple and clear. My latest as example was described somewhat inconvenient. You just could've said 'Best car precision.' and that's it lol. Also be totally specific when it comes to usage of something, just wanna remind you of MtS' match...
/Topic - feed the cloudwalker. That is what I mean with acting up...
Finally. I knew you weren't too satisfied with me being a judge and I know it's kinda akward getting judged by someone who doesn't even come close to the stunting level youself have. BUT to the ND part. Petar organized this. And he asked me almost everyday to post my judging because others weren't online. Should I say: "No Petar, we wait for Turtle Dick he will be online in 5 days."??? No offence TD it was just your name taken.
And if you think this is acting up... well... I am trying to help... but I seem to step on others people feet all the time and it's kinda hard to keep on being motivated when all you earn is flaming.
I can only hope you are atleast trying to understand me. If not then I am sorry.
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So in short version you want me to hide my true opinions about others?
Not going to happen. Thanks for letting me know how you think tho.
You didn't understand a word of what I said, did you? I expected nothing less.
And I never facepalmed or complained about judges.
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And would you like to lose vs an old stunt that people claim to be new basing their judging on it? no!
and would you really like to lose because of this?:
You give your opinion but some regular judge could have another one that change the game. So it's unfair to the other competitor who didn't had "the luck" to get your vote on their match.
And to respond on that you say "That's why there's a 24h rule". Don't you see the irony in that? You are talking about unfairness of a stunt because of what judges said, yet you think it's fair that your 'fate' is limited to 24 hours? LOLWAT
Instead of understanding a word I said you manage to totally avoid the point again and instead go all serious business. I'm just gonna have to go with MMM here:
Drama queen of 2011.
Ok. This is now an official thread for whining publically. Enjoy it I guess, if it's such a big deal for you, but it creeps me out personally.
And stop saying to everyone they have a problem with you, will ya? Not everything revolves around you.
(btw, way to counter this off by only saying "Yep". Instead of staying normal like you claim to be you just act like the kid you are)
And if you think this is acting up... well... I am trying to help... but I seem to step on others people feet all the time and it's kinda hard to keep on being motivated when all you earn is flaming.
Then maybe you should give everyone else a different approach as well. You think you can just simply get all the help you want but you need to give people something in return too. You won't just get everything you want, and when you just give up when you don't then you are a weak fuck and blaming everyone else for it is even weaker. It's the behavior of a 6 year old. If you are going to make a witty reply to this again, you've obviously learned nothing from what I've said. It's up to you.
Just stop trying so hard man, it's just a game we do for fun.
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I really like to see how people in these forum can have reasons to complain about everything. Specially you Genyus, not saying I don't complain, but for fuck sake, every topic you're in I expect to see you flaming at something.
As for me, I didn't give any proper reviews on each stunt because I was raiding at the moment I voted. Petar asked me kindly to vote because the other ones seemed to not be able to. Which means, everyone is free to PM asking for full reviews. I was just busy and couldn't do it by then.
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NO U!!!
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Specially you Genyus, not saying I don't complain, but for fuck sake, every topic you're in I expect to see you flaming at something.
1. I'm not even flaming.
2. If you expect that from me every topic you are in then you are either being blind and ignorant or you are just looking in the wrong topics.
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You were in the first page, but w/e
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Meh. I've obviously learned nothing from what you've said.
1. Well then I misunderstood you sorry.
2. Okay I facepalmed XTO thanks for correcting me forgot that.
3. If I would be one of the stunters I would be glad to get judged at all as many of our "real" judges drop in from time to time when they are bored. So yes.
4. I said yep because I agreed with what MMM wrote. It was ment to be a thread about whining and the world does not spina round me.
5. I didn't expect any help at all. You misunderstood me. I thought the judges would be a strong team but it looks like it's not. I need to give in return? Fuck you want? I judged and get shat on for that! So fuck you sir! Sorry for my strong language. I also don't want anythign except of being respected as a judge. I got chosen so *insert your 4chan dealwithit.gif". Lol I didn't give up I just don't want to lead this tournament because the shitstorm will increase and I wanna enjoy the summer. I think guys like you who need to mod their stunts lost the fun in it, not me. So don't attack me just ebcause I want to give the fun a few rules. Rules have always been a part of this.
I'm so tired of defending myself goodnight.
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I was choosen to be a backup judge, so I'm just doing the "dirty work" from those who didn't bother to vote. Saved like an afternoon?
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3. If I would be one of the stunters I would be glad to get judged at all
As a stunter I agree with this. If anyone got any problem with that then PM me :a-cheer:
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Cloudwalker, take a fucking chill pill mate. I'm not even flaming or hating, I'm trying to help and point out things but you people always need to think I'm some kind of negative shithead to all of you. Also, good job referring to my past, it seems like that's the only thing you people can do when you run out of arguments.
"Oh, I don't know what to say anymore!! Hmm.. let's call him out on his modding past because that should work!!!!"
If you people are gonna keep talking about what I have done in the past then how the fuck can I even have a normal discussion with you people? You act like I am still stuck with who I was, and as if I never learned of my actions. Seriously, I tried to be nice but you can just go (nevermind) yourself if you are that arrogant that you can't even understand the simplest of words. Also, the fact some people started recognizing you over here doesn't give you the rights to shit all over them. (and don't say I am doing the same because that is not true, you may think I do but that is just your idiotic perception of me then)
Anyways,
I didn't expect any help at all. You misunderstood me. I thought the judges would be a strong team but it looks like it's not. I need to give in return? Fuck you want? I judged and get shat on for that! So fuck you sir! Sorry for my strong language. I also don't want anythign except of being respected as a judge. I got chosen so *insert your 4chan dealwithit.gif".
Nope, you misunderstood me again. YOU thought the judges would look like a strong team but to YOU it looks like it's not. That doesn't automatically mean the judges ARE a shit team, it's just what YOU think because YOU don't agree with their decisions. Just like 10 other people DON'T agree and 10 other people DO agree. I'm not shitting on you for judging the SASL matches, I'm "shitting" on you for pointing out everything that YOU think is flawed in the system, because like I said if everyone did that we have another 1000 posts a day because of people who don't agree. I'm gonna say it one more time and I hope you understand now:
That shit happens, it happens here and in real life. Things won't always go the way you want it or you won't always agree to what happens but that's just how it goes. Pointing it out in every topic and on every post isn't going to help, it's just going to cause more annoyance whereas you could have just said nothing and save everyone from all your rambling which no one is interested in. (and don't counter that with: but I got this person and that person defending me, so I must be doing something right by whining!1!!11!!, because like I said there will always be people agreeing but also disagreeing with you)
So don't attack me just ebcause I want to give the fun a few rules. Rules have always been a part of this.
The fun already has rules, you just don't agree with the judges decisions, which is totally subjective on your part and thus isn't even valid criticism so it's not even worth this retarded topic. How can you know rules have always been a part of this if you don't even seem to know how the previous SASL's went? :lol:
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Nope, you misunderstood me again. YOU thought the judges would look like a strong team but to YOU it looks like it's not. That doesn't automatically mean the judges ARE a shit team, it's just what YOU think because YOU don't agree with their decisions.
Will you fucking stop acting like I am not understanding you? Finally I realised you were talking about something comepletely different than I was. I am not talking about the "weak team" because I disagree with them. That doesn't even make sense. It was ONLY pointed at NuclearDeath who instead of PMing me had to post in this topic that he doesn't like back up judges that vote which is totally stupid btw.
THIS ISN'T A TOPIC FOR JUDGES TO WHINE ABOUT JUDGES! IT'S FOR STUNTERS TO WHINE ABOUT JUDGES.
Oh and: I don't have to know about the previous SASLs to know about typical rules. I organized many successful tournaments myself. Now YOU are taking the fun out of it by saying you need to know everything to actually change something. ;)
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Will you fucking stop acting like I am not understanding you? Finally I realised you were talking about something comepletely different than I was.
THIS ISN'T A TOPIC FOR JUDGES TO WHINE ABOUT JUDGES! IT'S FOR STUNTERS TO WHINE ABOUT JUDGES.
Lol, are you really that dumb? :lol: I'm sorry I have to say this but you still didnt get a word of what I said. I know this is a topic for stunters to whine about judges, that's the whole point. It's a useless topic because stunters whining about judges is like civilians whining about politics. You can disagree but there won't be any change, simply because your opinion is one of thousands of different opinions.
Oh and: I don't have to know about the previous SASLs to know about typical rules. I organized many successful tournaments myself. Now YOU are taking the fun out of it by saying you need to know everything to actually change something. ;)
here you go again, still not understanding a word. :lol: I wasn't even talking about knowing the rules, nor did I say you need to know everything to change something, I was talking about knowing the way SASLs went the previous times. In those SASLs there were moments people disagreed as well, but never was there such a whiny douchebag like you to create a topic about it. Get it in your head, we don't need another hero on this forum like you. You won't change shit so stop trying. How do you think you can just change the human nature of every judge and stunter on this forum when I'm even having a hard time trying to get a point across to you.
edit; gotta give you a compliment for not using my modding past in your previous post, must've been real hard to keep it to yourself.
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Ahahahahaaaa! :lol:
You won't change shit so stop trying. How do you think you can just change the human nature of every judge and stunter on this forum when I'm even having a hard time trying to get a point across to you.
You fool. I actually never tried to change anything. I just facepalmed a judge and told them your stunt is old and you start believeing I am somekind of world changer.
It's a useless topic because stunters whining about judges is like civilians whining about politics. You can disagree but there won't be any change, simply because your opinion is one of thousands of different opinions.
Your still so young and you've probably never been on a demonstration. People CAN change politics. It just happening around you bro.
Dramatic video as thousands clash with Egypt riot police in Cairo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xWiBCIxjIk#)
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cloudwalker instead of writing essays here could you check out the Judges Only section so we can get this next round started? :P
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Just the topic I was looking for... GDL's judging is a f*cking joke.
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Just the topic I was looking for... GDL's judging is a f*cking joke.
I said fair and friendly. Also please be a bit more precise.
cloudwalker instead of writing essays here could you check out the Judges Only section so we can get this next round started? :P
Yees I am there TD <3 :P
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aj daffy anoobie allard god dad mom fucking lock this topic allready :angry:
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You fool. I actually never tried to change anything. I just facepalmed a judge and told them your stunt is old and you start believeing I am somekind of world changer.
First you say you didn't facepalm a judge and you don't agree with the way the judges give their votes, hence the criticism on judges thing to CHANGE the way they vote and now you DID facepalm someone and you aren't trying to change anything? Make up your fucking mind.
Also, good assumption there with saying this whole thing I'm talking about revolves around my match, I bet that's the case :jajaja:
Your still so young and you've probably never been on a demonstration. People CAN change politics. It just happening around you bro.
Lol are you trying to school me now? :lol:
Just post the next matches and shove your criticism up your ass, no one is interested in your shitty opinion.
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Hurr hurr hurr, topic closed :P