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Title: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun [KasT wins]
Post by: PtRvY on June 20, 2011, 09:44:37 AM
San Andreas Stunting League 5

Knock-out Stage
Round of 32
KasT vs. Kartun

Challenge: Best stunt which involves passing through a small gap/space. (You can drive through this gap, but your vehicle passing through it without you driving it also counts).

Time: 4 days from now. (extension requested by KasT)

SASL5 Rules: http://www.gtastunting.net/index.php?topic=54500.0

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: lilj on June 20, 2011, 10:10:33 AM
i dont wanna fucking see that infernus gap at miltry base or amma fuck this hole community up  :angry: :angry:, k guys ?  :cc_detective:
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Kartun on June 20, 2011, 10:11:54 AM
I don't really understand the challenge.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: PtRvY on June 20, 2011, 10:50:14 AM
I don't really understand the challenge.

I can't explain it better than this...

A small gap is a "hole" in your path which is really small so it's not easy to pass through it with a bike (or with a car, then the hole is a little bigger).

For example, you have two poles on the road which are relatively close.

 T pole 1
-->
 T pole 2   

The arrow denotes the gap.     
     
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Kartun on June 20, 2011, 11:57:31 AM
Like MMM stunt at 3:40 ?

Fools Of Damnation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4tPjI1QPDs#ws)
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: KasT on June 20, 2011, 10:47:34 PM
Great challenge. Good luck Cartoon!
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Kartun on June 21, 2011, 01:53:51 AM
Good Luck Kast!
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: KasT on June 21, 2011, 03:54:19 AM
Found anything?  :euro:
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: PtRvY on June 21, 2011, 03:58:25 AM
Like MMM stunt at 3:40 ?
Exactly, that's one example. But it doesn't have to be two poles, it can be any small space which is hard to go through.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Kartun on June 21, 2011, 04:08:41 AM
Yeah thank you ptrvy i understand now.

@Kast: I found 1-2 spots.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: KasT on June 21, 2011, 11:24:17 PM
Can I request 1 day extension? I couldn't land anything these days and today I'm going on a small trip with my class. So yeah, if Kartun agrees  :)
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Kartun on June 22, 2011, 01:40:03 AM
No problem
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: KasT on June 23, 2011, 01:43:10 PM
Editing my entry.  :euro:

EDIT//

So yeah. I assume this is the most annoying stunt ever.

Anyway, I hope it counts as a gap, as the bridge has some kind of glitch.

STREAMING
SASL5 Round of 32 - [KasT] vs. Kartun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT_fJOYy_LE#ws)

REP
http://www.multiupload.com/GS26VFXCC2 (http://www.multiupload.com/GS26VFXCC2)


Oh and:

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7947/image2cm.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/99/image2cm.jpg/)

Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: KasT on June 24, 2011, 01:20:09 AM
bump  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Kartun on June 24, 2011, 07:02:55 AM
My Entry:

SASL - Round of 32 - [Kartun] vs Kast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3rjqZd3bOw#ws)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=26YF0PLF (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=26YF0PLF)
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Franco on June 24, 2011, 08:06:19 AM
wow great entries from both, gj guys
Hard time for them judges
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: MeetMyMeat on June 24, 2011, 08:12:04 AM
Kinda hard for me to be objective here...

Voting for Kartun, took me a while to make my decision. Both stunts are on the same level... I based my vote on my personal preferences as a stunter. Maybe if Kast had done a little cork-turn after he hit the gap he would've gotten my vote. Nice match.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: PtRvY on June 24, 2011, 08:16:54 AM
I had a real hard time thinking who to vote on this ...

And I'll go with KasT. Because Kartun didn't seem to have any difficulty doing the gap itself; it wasn't an essential part of the stunt. Also the way how he kept going forward with the infernus suggested that the stunt was trial & error. KasT's stunt didn't have anything too mindblowing for it but it seems that his stunt demanded a little more skill (invisible collisions + turning which Kartun didn't have) and the gap was heavily involved in the stunt (it's what made it interesting for me).

Don't get me wrong, I thought both stunts were awesome but they are so close with each other that I must look into these tiny details to differentiate my opinion.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: MeetMyMeat on June 24, 2011, 08:20:00 AM
I think invisible collisions are a 2 edged blade. Sure it's harder to preform a stunt involving them, but the appeal is brought down, at least for me.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: NuclearDeath on June 24, 2011, 09:16:34 AM
THe decision wasn't that hard to make for me. I vote for Kartun, the gap during the run-up totally does it for me, so unexpected. Close match here, I guess the "invisible gap" from Kast brought down the performance.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: GDL on June 24, 2011, 03:14:40 PM
Both stunts looked cool but Kast stunt is far better in my eyes because he actually had to do some work to perform the stunt. Thne only better thing in Kartun's stunt was that his gam was 'cleaner'. My vote goes to Kast
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: FELIX on June 25, 2011, 07:17:56 AM
KasT's stunt was harder and more creative. Kartun's stunt is so old with a monster truck starting on the roof and without landing the precision but his new execution somehow didn't make the stunt better in my eyes.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Kartun on June 25, 2011, 09:59:22 AM
Have you ever grind with an infernus?
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: FELIX on June 25, 2011, 10:40:02 AM
Have you ever grind with an infernus?

Yes.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: XTO -- on June 26, 2011, 12:01:14 PM
Would have voted for KasT if he had done any cork/krail. Vote goes to Kartun.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Turtle Dick on June 27, 2011, 04:08:57 AM
KasT gets my vote. I like the aspect of having to aim through an invisible gap.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Kartun on June 27, 2011, 04:17:17 AM
I laughed a lot when i see the vote of cloudwalker, because my stunt is new, i think creative( passing through a small gap during the run-up) and more harder than Kast's one (small gap, grind with an infernus(more difficult than nrg's grind) and precision after the grind.

I understand that people can vote for Kast, bu try to find good reason.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: GDL on June 27, 2011, 04:52:55 AM
Yes your gap is smaller, but it's really easy to achieve it. Grinding this fence isn't really hard as well because you don't do any rotation before that + you land on it like 90% of the time. About the precision thingy - you don't really do anything to stop there, you need a lucky bump to stop there since you can't really control the car in the space between the fence and the prec. Don't get me wrong, your stunt is cool, but it's not as hard as you're trying to say it is.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: FELIX on June 27, 2011, 05:16:18 AM
I laughed a lot when i see the vote of cloudwalker, because my stunt is new, i think creative( passing through a small gap during the run-up) and more harder than Kast's one (small gap, grind with an infernus(more difficult than nrg's grind) and precision after the grind.

I understand that people can vote for Kast, bu try to find good reason.

1. Your not in the position to criticize my opinions.
2. I didn't say that your stunt is old.
3. Not really creative no.
4. Going through your gab happens automatically. KasT goes right from his runup just to bonk the gap to reach the grind to his left again.
5. Yes Infy Grinds are harder than NRG grinds. But since KasT has a small amount of rotation in it it's alot harder than a straight infy grind.
6. As I claimed before: your gab + grind are easy. So the only difficulty was to land the precision. Good job on that.
7. KasT's stunt was harder in every aspect and looked better.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Rusch69 on June 27, 2011, 05:34:21 AM
I find some votes pretty weird in this league. Both stunts fullfilled the challenge so you can go ahead and rate the usage of them. Though it's somewhat funny to see some judges basing their votes on different apsects from match to match. Once you consider the difficulty and another time you just totally ignore it and go with some piss-easy-lame-troll-shit idea.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Kartun on June 27, 2011, 05:42:15 AM
I find some votes pretty weird in this league. Both stunts fullfilled the challenge so you can go ahead and rate the usage of them. Though it's somewhat funny to see some judges basing their votes on different apsects from match to match. Once you consider the difficulty and another time you just totally ignore it and go with some piss-easy-lame-troll-shit idea.

I agree
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: FELIX on June 27, 2011, 06:18:10 AM
I find some votes pretty weird in this league. Both stunts fullfilled the challenge so you can go ahead and rate the usage of them. Though it's somewhat funny to see some judges basing their votes on different apsects from match to match. Once you consider the difficulty and another time you just totally ignore it and go with some piss-easy-lame-troll-shit idea.

Always depends on the challenge. Also you should be more precise about which challenges and which judges you mean.

If you shout asshole into a big room there will always come asshole back to you.
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: Rusch69 on June 27, 2011, 07:40:08 AM
This match
VTX vs MtS
Disciplo vs Genyus
vmx vs Rusch
Souther vs Franco
...

I cba to look up matches, but those pop spontaneously into my mind. I won't bother searching quotes at all, but I remember some judge justifying his vote with the reason that a stunt would look like shit for example. How about considering other aspects there then (idea / difficulty / challenge fulfillment / ...)? How was that judgement related to the challenge? That's an opinion and no analysis. I don't need to name them, but I just can tell it once again - quite a lot people are unsatisfied with the judges and find couple votings really ridiculous. Nobody just opens his mouth here as it seems, in gossip though. People are probably afraid that the judges could get mad and vote against them or something (as some don't base their votes on the right stuff as it seems anyway - kinda payback for critism).
Title: Re: Round of 32 - KasT vs. Kartun
Post by: FELIX on June 27, 2011, 08:09:09 AM
If anybody has a problem with our judging feel free to post it in this topic:

http://www.gtastunting.net/index.php?topic=55187.new#new (http://www.gtastunting.net/index.php?topic=55187.new#new)
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