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General => General Discussion => Computer Talk => Topic started by: dirtybird78 on January 12, 2010, 03:10:05 AM
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Wel first off i dont know much about building a computer,and i will be having a friend put it together and show me.Also,this pc will be for everything,not just gaming.(music/studio recording,video editing,gaming)
Money is no issue since i will be buying it one piece at a time.I am going to start buy ordering the case and something else.What should i get first besides the case? I'm looking at the i7 920(seen other i7 processors that were better,but far too expensive,around $1,200).I am looking to build a really badass pc and need some advice on the best gear.
I will post new topics for advice as i progress with the build,thanks for help.
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Money is no issue since i will be buying it one piece at a time.
(seen other i7 processors that were better,but far too expensive,around $1,200)
tell me your budget. :hmm:
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my budget is quite high since i am buying parts one at a time.i would say just for the tower about $ 1,200- $1,500.
I have done some research,and i think im going to get a asus PT6 deluxe,with a i7 920 (or 940) chip.
but is that pretty much the best i could get for my budget? i would like to stay around $300 for the motherboard and $300 for the cpu.I am also looking to get a geforce gtx 295 for my graphics card later on down the road,I am worried that i might need water cooling,but i don't want to because the prices for the water cooling cases are really expensive.is water cooling unnecessary,can i get away with not having it? :hmm:
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my budget is quite high since i am buying parts one at a time.i would say just for the tower about $ 1,200- $1,500.
I have done some research,and i think im going to get a asus PT6 deluxe,with a i7 920 (or 940) chip.
but is that pretty much the best i could get for my budget? i would like to stay around $300 for the motherboard and $300 for the cpu.I am also looking to get a geforce gtx 295 for my graphics card later on down the road,I am worried that i might need water cooling,but i don't want to because the prices for the water cooling cases are really expensive.is water cooling unnecessary,can i get away with not having it? :hmm:
IM AGAINST NVIDIA STUFF LOL BUY THE 59XX
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Yes, you're fine without water cooling. Also, there's no idea on buying NVIDIA's old cards as the new ones are coming, and have already came by AMD, Radeon HD 5000 series. I wouldn't buy i7-920 either.
bit-tech.net just relased this month's hardware-buying article yesterday, check it out (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/01/11/what-hardware-should-i-buy-january-2010/1). I prefer reading it and with that budget I'd go for the Gaming Workhorse shown on the article, enough for your needs.
And why the hell would you order parts one by one...? Just go for it and you'll save with the post costs.
E Actually, replace the 5850 with 5870 if the money is no issue.
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Here's a Rig I have build recently.
(http://www.abload.de/img/1250tmdr.jpg)
If that's too much you can also choose the HD5850, will be more than enough for all games out there and upcoming games. You can also choose a different Case, one for ~50-70€ should be sufficent aswell (the client wanted to have exactly that case)
With the Alpenföhn Brocken you can easily get your i7 to about 3.8GHz, which is very good for the price in my opinion. Just be sure that you get a D0 of the i7 920.
Another option would be to go with a Socket 1156 System, i5 / i7 that is. Would definately leave more room for the GFX Card and Case + additional stuff. Tell me if you're interested in that.
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Daffy will help you with this :lol:
Well i got i5 750, Nvidia GTX 275, 6gb ram, 500gb HDD for 800€ :jajaja: and it owns
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awesome,thanks for the help guys,ill check this stuff out.
And KM,should i buy a mid level case? i suppose i should buy the biggest one for all the goodies i want to put in it.
Chris: nice set up,i like how that sounds,except only difference is im going i7 920.
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Wait for the new nVidia Series, they'll rape Ati as nvidia always did.
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Wait for the new nVidia Series, they'll rape Ati as nvidia always did.
Oh,thats one thing im already sure on..im getting nvidia ;)
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Yeh because paying a ridiculous amount more for a tiny difference in performance is really worth it!
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Yes, you're fine without water cooling. Also, there's no idea on buying NVIDIA's old cards as the new ones are coming, and have already came by AMD, Radeon HD 5000 series. I wouldn't buy i7-920 either.
bit-tech.net just relased this month's hardware-buying article yesterday, check it out (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/01/11/what-hardware-should-i-buy-january-2010/1). I prefer reading it and with that budget I'd go for the Gaming Workhorse shown on the article, enough for your needs.
And why the hell would you order parts one by one...? Just go for it and you'll save with the post costs.
E Actually, replace the 5850 with 5870 if the money is no issue.
so he can spend more on each part is why he is buying one by one
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Yes, you're fine without water cooling. Also, there's no idea on buying NVIDIA's old cards as the new ones are coming, and have already came by AMD, Radeon HD 5000 series. I wouldn't buy i7-920 either.
bit-tech.net just relased this month's hardware-buying article yesterday, check it out (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/01/11/what-hardware-should-i-buy-january-2010/1). I prefer reading it and with that budget I'd go for the Gaming Workhorse shown on the article, enough for your needs.
And why the hell would you order parts one by one...? Just go for it and you'll save with the post costs.
E Actually, replace the 5850 with 5870 if the money is no issue.
so he can spend more on each part is why he is buying one by one
Exactly
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It's actually a smart idea too :P When I think about building a pc I would just buy all the parts and think nothing of it, but next time I'm going to do this.
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Wait for the new nVidia Series, they'll rape Ati as nvidia always did.
Oh,thats one thing im already sure on..im getting nvidia ;)
Waste of money, as Dan said, you wont notice the performance difference
AMD processors have the best Price-To-Performance ratio
An ATI 5000 series GPU can handle pretty much anything you throw at them (cheaper than an nvidia)
You wont really need water cooling unless you go for an i7
Post a list of the stuff your thinking of getting ;)
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When paying that little extra for nVIDIA, that tiny little extra that could have perhaps gotten you a of cigarettes or two you get back when it comes to the software.
ATi can't make drivers for shit and don't be surprised if you have to constantly upgrade/downgrade to a different driver version to run different games properly.
After the 9700 Pro, the employees at ATi's brains melted and they are now nothing but confused chunks of decomposing meat running around.
So for the love of whatever god you pray to, get something from nVIDIA.
Also the i7 920 is a kickass CPU where the chipset gives you for example Tri-Channel RAM instead of Dual-Channel so if you got the cash, then get that.
As for the case, if you can pay for it check out the Corsair Obsidian or the Silverstone Raven.
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Ah, I thought you meant ordering the parts one by one, sorry dude.
We've seen shitloads of this NVIDIA-obsession ever since AMD released their 5000-series and took the lead. People really have no reason to stick to NV, they're doing it just because they've got used to that. I had this a half year ago too, but you should try opening your mind a little bit. You could wait for Fermi and go for NVIDIA, that's a good choice I expect.
If you're making the order within few months, you should go for AMD. They're bringing DX11-supported cards with a better price/performance-ratio than NV does now with their DX10 high-end cards (which aren't even manufactured anymore btw). People should open their eyes a little bit before spending hundreds of dollars to something that they will regret. Yes, will.
AMD ATI Radeon HD 5970 Bit-tech.net review (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/11/18/amd-ati-radeon-hd-5970-review/1)
Read that one dude. Not that you'd get 5970, but it includes a lot of FPS rates with the other 5000-series cards too.
Oh,thats one thing im already sure on..im getting nvidia ;)
Tough question: Why? It's your call and you won't lose much by going for NVIDIA, but at least wait for the new series of cards.
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ATi can't make drivers for shit and don't be surprised if you have to constantly upgrade/downgrade to a different driver version to run different games properly.
That's past, and the most used excuse against AMD used by users on the flame wars you see all over the tech-sites nowadays. I've read tens of reviews of this product and actively followed 5000-series threads on many forums, and not once I've seen anyone having problems with games or official drivers (drivers released for the 5000-series).
Both AMD and NVIDIA have their so called pros and cons people use to bring the competitor down, most of them are from the times when the specific problems existed. For example, I won't be saying that NVIDIA sucks because the FX 5800 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4#) sucked.
Compare by the current situation, not the past.
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How about GPU utilizing of decoding and CUDA/GPU tasks, ATi aren't halfway ready for a solution that does that well while nVIDIA already have the VP2 that cuts down on the CPU bottleneck of video decoding by the tons.
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Yeah, I believe they provide a better hardware decoding, although I have never really got into that stuff too much earlier. I've never seen anyone having problem with that either, so I guess it's not the most critical loss on the race. Any bedtime reading you have about the whole hardware decoding VP2 against Avivo HD?
To keep the argument going on, what about DX11 support? Multi-screen support (ATi Eyefinity), temperatures or TDP-rates? I believe NVIDIA will challenge them up with some new kickass Fermi products within few months, but at this moment ATi get's the candies.
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I know there's numerous that so far only supports VP as nVIDIA's CUDA has been around way longer and there haven't been coded support ATi yet.
I will say one good thing about ATi, and I do prefer the ATi AA&AF a lot more than nVIDIA's as nVIDIA's tends to sharpens a bit and create artifacts while the ATi one is a lot smoother and easier on the eye.
As for DX11 I'm suggesting to wait for nVIDIA's new series which should be as for as I know ready in February/March.
Multi-screen support is nice and dandy if you need it but that's IF you need it.
As for temperatures that's a dumb argument as both cards are made to run fine on stock cooling, if you're going to overclock it's recommended that you get a better cooler in any case.
My 295 GTX has always shown very good temperatures in RivaTuner so I have nothing bad to say about nVIDIA's cooling, rather ATi's one where I had to either downclock the 4870X2 I had or turn the fan up so you could hear it two stories down walking down the stairs and that's not a joke.
Make your pick but keeping history in mind I'd safe nVIDIA is a much safer choice which perform as far as I know off this date performs just as good and better than ATi in say GTA.
So I can't find a reason for why one should not pick nVIDIA though ATi is probably a good contender.
Here's a list of nVIDIA cards and their VP's so you can see it's been around for quite a while.
You can read that that ATi's GPU decoder is a bit better at VC1 decoding, but in Windows 7 the support for hardware accelerated decoding of VC1 is broken anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PureVideo#Table_of_PureVideo_.28HD.29_GPUs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PureVideo#Table_of_PureVideo_.28HD.29_GPUs)
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didnt you need to the SAME gpus for SLI? Crossfire can have 2 different cards... :D
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Nope, you can enable PhisyX while using 2 different cards
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Lots of helpfull info,i read everything you guys posted and i appreciate all the help.
Im still pretty set in paying the little extra for the nividia card.I was planning on getting the GXT 295,but by the time i get to that part,im sure there will be a new series of cards to choose from.
I first need a really good case,ill start with that then ill get the the motherboard/chip.(asus pt deluxe/i7 920)
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Get a cheap case and if needed, take to a metallurgy and ask to the metallurgical to cut 120mm squares, so you can put some fans.
Btw, if you're adding fans, make sure you use this kind of filter
(http://blog.3dsecco.com.br/tutoriais/ventoinha/grade.png)
(999th post)
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or just do it self.... :ajaja: dont pay much for a case though, you can always cut something :ajaja:
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So I can't find a reason for why one should not pick nVIDIA though ATi is probably a good contender.
This is it. :)
dont pay much for a case though, you can always cut something :ajaja:
In the end case is one of the most important parts you should spend money on, one that keeps the dust away and has good air-flow really comes to use. Invest to that if something.
I'd recommend Fractal Design Define R2 myself, a few months old case for a good price and it has got some serious recommendations. Click this (http://metku.net/index.html?path=reviews/fractal-design-define-r2/index_eng) for a review.
# Very quiet
# Stylish
# Full featured
# Reasonably priced (~89 € at the time of writing)
CONS
# Bad paintjob (thin layers)
On February/March you'll get i7-930 by Intel, replacing the 920-model and going to the same price range ($284 they say). You do the order on March and you'll get pretty refreshing combination of Fermi and the new i7.
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I was planning on getting the GXT 295
Wait for the new nVIDIA cards, if you're going for nVIDIA.
The graphics card is one of the key components if not the key component for gaming.
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I was planning on getting the GXT 295
Wait for the new nVIDIA cards, if you're going for nVIDIA.
The graphics card is one of the key components if not the key component for gaming.
actually you need also a great cpu but indeed, gpu is da key
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If he does get an i7, he shouldnt worry
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If he does get an i7, he shouldnt worry
That's what i was thinking too.