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GTAStunting Leagues => Past Stunt Leagues => GTAStunting League - Vice City => GTASL 4 => Topic started by: HeX on February 26, 2008, 10:14:24 PM
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I was wondering when we will we start the next one, is it gonna be after the GTASL 3 video or what?
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I would imagine so, whenever it starts sign me up.
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ok ill hurry up with it now, i really wanna start the GTASL 4 i wont be here the weeekend but everyhour i spend on my pc will be for the GTASL 3 video i promise !
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That cool boxXx
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Good luck BoxXx, and if this does go ahead, sign me up
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wait up boxXx, i think we should wait until the SA stunting league is finished. there might be some competitors in that who want to join SL4, plus having all the rounds happening at the same time will get messy.
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yeah true hay.
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True i want to join this too but i am also in SASL2
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wait up boxXx, i think we should wait until the SA stunting league is finished. there might be some competitors in that who want to join SL4, plus having all the rounds happening at the same time will get messy.
The SA stunting league will take a while, though. I'm pretty sure I could cordinate with the VC organizer to make sure there are no conflicting matches.
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Sounds balla. I think we should fire it up as soon as the video for the third tournament is done if Sweet does what he just said he could.
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i would join =)
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I would like to join
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Souzuk in
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Im in the SASL as well, I wouldn't care if I had two match's on the same day anyways, Would make it more fun for me.
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I would imagine so, whenever it starts sign me up.
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Someone should start organizing this. I'd say Brulla, Tack, VenomX or one of those helpful guys lol.
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I would be defo in.
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If this happens I would like to be a judge
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I wanna join
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Summer.
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ok ill hurry up with it now, i really wanna start the GTASL 4 i wont be here the weeekend but everyhour i spend on my pc will be for the GTASL 3 video i promise !
yay?
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Looking forward to it
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Someone should start organizing this. I'd say Brulla, Tack, VenomX or one of those helpful guys lol.
That would be awesome, considering the amount of competitors that the next SL might have that will have to be VERY WELL organized
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I've been saying since I was still competing in GTASL3 that I wanted to judge this one.
Please and thanks haha.
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Sign me up as a judge.
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I wanna be a judge, too
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Sign me up as a stunter when it starts.
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DF, Juan and Ral... cool, that seems like a great line-up for judges.
I guess the real question is, who would be crazy enough to run it - its quite alot of work.
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I've heard that someone called Dannye would be a good choise.
He could use some motivation to be around more anyhow!
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I would be interested to be involved as a stunter or as a judge, nothing more though.
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I'd also like to chip in on this somehow... Not as a participant but perhaps as a judge.
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I would love to organise it. But i would need some help I wouldnt know where to start, but i would love to either help out with organising or just stunt
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People I'd like to see running this thing:
NoAPOlogies
Dannye
Turtle Dick
Tackleberry
Aries
People I'd like to see as judges:
All above
Kaneda
Samurai
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I got my fair taste of being on that side of the rope when I was judge last comp. It was a good experience, but I don't wanna do it again any time soon, I wanna try being a competitor again.
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I wanna try being a competitor again.
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Cant wait
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Hmm...being a stunter in 3 was pretty cool. I went crazy trying to get that hotring p2b and I finally landed it, giving me my only win, but it was fun
I guess I'd like to go back to the judging circuit if I get the chance.
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I'm all on-board with GTASL 4 and I'd even like to participate as a competitor when it ever fires up.
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I'd like to judge, not sure about competing though. I think I could give a different opinion to some of the older stunters; having variety of judges with different styles and attitudes makes the contest more fair.
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I agree with that - you'd be a great addition to the judging pool.
That gives us: Demonfade, Juan, Ralleee and OTM. Sounds good!
I guess we now just need one more main judge, then a couple guys willing to be alternates (Brulla, Docta?) when one of the main judges is unavailable (having two of those guys in pocket came in very handy for us with the last SL - they could sub in temporarilly if one of the main judges is, for example, away for one round).
After that, all we need is an organiser (I suppose this could be one of the judges but it doesn't have to be) willing to be in charge of the whole thing, and we're set.
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I'd like to be a judge I'm not stunting in VC pretty much , but I watch a lot of VC video's and I think I could be a cool add-on to all thoose VC stunter judges .
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Demonfade, Juan, Ralleee, ofthemountain and KillaMarci feels like a great set of judges (even though I think Juan should be stunting, so he could show people outside TMS the stunting machine he really is ).
And I wouldn't mind this starting very soon either, I think it should.
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I would like to stunt and judge... tough choice...
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Hmmmmmm....
I either want to stunt, or want to help run it. I don't wanna judge tough choice. I wonder what the people think...
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Daffy vs. Kingjad
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That'd make it 3 times in 4 GTASLs if we should be paired together again (and I lost the first two times...unsurprisingly)
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C'mon KJ, we need you in there so we can predict the winner = whoever beats you in round 1... continue the tradition dude
I'm with Tack, starting sometime soon would be great.
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We just need a main organiser...any suggestions?
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venomx
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Feron i'd say.
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Where is Feron anyway
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Where is Feron anyway
He's in my slave field...
Howcome Noap can't organize this?
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Probably a real-life thing. Why can't I organise it? (OK, I'm a lazy bastard and I don't usually finish what I start...snap, THAT'S why!)
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Go for it Kinjad
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Go for it Kinjad
Why do you always fucking spell my name wrong ya daft fud I wouldn't mind stunting again actually, I've yet to PROPERLY win a match in this! (the last GTASL I got whupped by Daffy, won a match by default, and I was then robbed of victory in next match )
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Go for it Kinjad
Yeh, go for it Kingjad
Btw, didn`t the last SL had 2 organizers?
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Go for it Kinjad
Yeh, go for it Kingjhad
Btw, didn`t the last SL had 2 organizers?
You stay out of this, donkeyfeeler!
I wouldn't mind being on the organising side of things if there was someone ELSE involved too, I don't want the entire burden placed upon my muscular-but-flabby shoulders!
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I'd help out as being a main Judge and fuggin dibzin it since GTAstunting.net GTASL3.
I'll go hop on one of NoAPOlogies Weather balloons and wave to his ass.
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Where is Feron anyway
Feron said he was suspended for a few months.
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Yeah, someone spending half of the time being suspended wouldn't be an optimal organizer imo.
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It's a real shame that no one of the original organisers don't want to continue their work. If it's really going to be the case, I'd like to offer you my help Kingjad. That's if you and the community want it. It would be nice to help out and I always devote myself to every project.
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Me and you Brulla, trying to organise a GTASL? It'd be like the odd couple, where you do most of the annoying work while I'm the lazy guy who does as little as possible, looking more impressive than I actually am.
I think it's a brilliant idea
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KJ and Brulla would be great organisers IMO. Thoose are the guys I trust the most
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I must warn people: I have some big, big ideas for changing the format of the stunt league. If I'm picked I WILL implement these changes. It will be extremely different from previous GTASLs.
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Will it actually be a LEAGUE this time? Hope you have some good ideas.
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It sounds like a great system to me. It at least means that if Kingjad's changes are too radical Brulla can compromise them or whatever. Two organisers is the way forward, and these two seem like great candidates to me.
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Will it actually be a LEAGUE this time? Hope you have some good ideas.
That's a good memory you have there Alex - aye, I'm still sticking to the idea it should be a proper stunting LEAGUE.
Currently, the GTASL has been a bit bamboozling, at least to me. Watch the GTASL2 vid Tack made on the GTAS YouTube account, and try to work your head around the table format! There were random pairs, a defeat meant a losers' round etc - at times I never knew what was going on with who or were, it was like a giant game of Cluedo! The winner of one match would face the winner of the other match and so on - that system is fine for the later stages when we've cut things down to pretty small numbers, but not for when there's 50-60 folk and a bizarre-looking table format to get through! I plan to simplify the format and yet make it more exciting.
Now, to those that doubt it, imagine there are 50 people entering the GTASL (hypothetical number). With that there can be 10 different leagues, five in each league, 2 matches per league per week with the fifth person sitting out. After the league bit itself is finished, that'd be 80 matches altogether. Sounds a lot but it would guarantee EVERYONE at least 4 matches. Let's say the person top of each table advance to knock-outs.
The numbers involved will dictate the kind of format it would be, the numbers in each 'league', how many different leagues there'd be etc. Personally I think 3 judges should be adequate (Brulla disagrees - he thinks 5 or 7).
For this league, of course, would be points. A judge's vote would mean you get a point for it. So if there were 5 judges...and four of the judges go for one stunter, that stunter would get four points, with the other point going to the other stunter. If a stunter doesn't compete or doesn't turn up or whatever, it's a simple 5-0 to the person that did turn up. Seems fairly straight-forward.
Now, to finally try to convince folk this is a good method: TMS did this before 'Aftershock' was produced and it worked pretty damn well. The numbers were small and it was an internal thing but it does work if you keep on top of things.
If people like the sound of the idea, then feel free to back me as an organiser. Brulla also seems on-board but will let him speak for himself
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I really like Kingjad's system. The only thing I disagree in it, is the amount of judges per match.
Let me quote ofthemountain:
having variety of judges with different styles and attitudes makes the contest more fair.
Having many judges with different styles and attitudes is a lot better than a narrow view of only 3 judges.
It's exactly what we need, variety.
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The more judges there are, the less entrants there will be for the GTASL consider that.
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Kingjad, I think your idea is pretty sound, I can't think of any problems with that kind of grouping. It would be more fun for everyone than a straight knock out and the judge point system sounds good also.
The only thing this would mean is that people need to be more reliable in showing up for matches. As long as that happened it would be a fun contest.
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Hehe, I brought that up with him also
Yeah, I agree. But as long as there are only 2 matches per league per week, it shouldn't be too much to handle for each competitor.
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The only thing is, it would be kinda unfair. Person A beats person B by 3x2. Person A has 3 points and B has 2.
In the next round, person B loses AGAIN by 3x2 but for person C. He would have 4 points. Them person A loses for 5x0 for someone.
Person A would have only 3 points and B would have 4, yet person B lost both matches while person A won one of them.
How would you guys solve this. Maybe the winner could get one extra point or something.
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I was thinking that, I think the winner should get some sort of point bonus. 2 points for a win maybe, then judge points.
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Extra points would complicate things in my opinion...you can argue whether it's fair or unfair but the judges will not be able to please everyone. And the possibility that you could lose twice and yet still be doing better than someone who won once makes it that much more interesting!
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I think its better to win with one GREAT stunt than two average ones anyway .
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The only thing is, it would be kinda unfair. Person A beats person B by 3x2. Person A has 3 points and B has 2.
In the next round, person B loses AGAIN by 3x2 but for person C. He would have 4 points. Them person A loses for 5x0 for someone.
Person A would have only 3 points and B would have 4, yet person B lost both matches while person A won one of them.
How would you guys solve this. Maybe the winner could get one extra point or something.
Well, me and Brulla tried to run this through a simulation of sorts. Copy and paste time! We are implementing, for this scenario at least, the 'victory point' idea of giving the winner an extra point.
ROUND ONE
Person A 3-2 Person B
Person C 4-1 Person D
Table:
Person C: 5
Person A: 4
Person B: 1
Person D: 1
ROUND TWO
Person A 3-2 Person C
Person B 5-0 Person D
Table:
Person A: 8
Person B: 7
Person C: 6
Person D: 1
ROUND THREE
Person A 1-4 Person D
Person B 2-3 Person C
Table:
Person C: 10
Person B: 9
Person A: 8
Person D: 6
B only won once but finished above A, who won twice but that don't matter, cos I'd say only the first-placed person continues! I'm starting to like the idea of this 'victory point' but me and Brulla are still definitely trying to iron out the details.
And people have still to decide whether they'd even WANT me and Brulla running the next GTASL!
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I like Kingjad's idea and I don't think extra points should be handed out. Lets say someone wins a match with 3-2, that must be a quite even match. Therefore the points give should be even too, not 2 points extra to the winner as someone suggested.
Only thing I'm afraid of is walk over-matches in the end of the tournament. People who can't win don't have anything to play for and 5 points would probably be given almost free to the opponent.
Also, what about a final? I think when the final league is done, the two highest placed stunters should go to a separate final (would make things much more exciting).
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To Kingjad's post above. If people end at the same amount of points, the person with most wins should go through. That way victories won't come completely ignored.
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Whatever happens I think that 5 judges would be needed as opposed to 3 to make the system more comprehensive and valid. Other wise its either going to be 2-1 or 3-0 every time.
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Did I not explain this? The top one or two in each section advance to knock-outs against others. The numbers by this time will have been whittled down greatly, to like 8 or 10.
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I like your idea KJ. I think that a lot of stunters will join the league this year and trying new ideas is good.
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Did I not explain this? The top one or two in each section advance to knock-outs against others. The numbers by this time will have been whittled down greatly, to like 8 or 10.
Ok, sounds great.
Go for it!
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u could create the sign in topic now eh
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Erm, people need to decide if they all WANT me and Brulla organising this first I'm just trying to give you all my way of organising it for you all to decide whether it's a good idea or whether I'm just a big coo-coo-brained halfwit (I can be both too, if you want me to).
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if you 2 don't do it, no one will lol
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Erm, people need to decide if they all WANT me and Brulla organising this first I'm just trying to give you all my way of organising it for you all to decide whether it's a good idea or whether I'm just a big coo-coo-brained halfwit (I can be both too, if you want me to).
Kingjad, your plan is ingeniously balla. So as one of the people you're refering to, I cast my vote upon Kingjad and Brulla for organizers. The judging squad looks good too because what ofthemountain said is true. My opinion on the win/lose thing is that it shouldn't matter, only the points should. But it really doesn't matter to me, I'm just so excited about the tournament.
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Yeah Kingjad, you and Brulla should run it.
I think you should make a thread for people to start signing up.
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Realistically, I doubt anyone would be against you two running it. I don't think people mind generally as long as the organisers are competent; you too are more than capable.
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I was going to wait for this GTASL3 vid to be finished first before starting the next tourny never knew it'd take this long for the vid though. Me and Brulla are still trying to iron out all the details as well - I MIGHT be a bit more selective of participants as we had a few no-shows last time around (I did anyway - it ain't the same winning by default, although it was the only won I got!)
I want to make sure that those that sign up understand that they need to be committed. Remember, there will be a minimum number of matches to compete in.
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When do I judge this shit?
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Just create the damn sign in thread already
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The whole concept sounds good to me, as does the idea of KJ and Brulla running it!
I think 5 judges is a good number myself, but whatever you guys think is best ofcourse. Having 2 or so 'alternate judges' would probably be handy too, so if you come to a round where one of the 5 can't make it to cast their votes, you can get someone to temporarily fill in for them. And if you decide on who those alternates are gonna be before the comp starts, then there is still some level of consistency - as the stunters know who will be filling in.
Also, it'd be handy to have a thread which is their for keeping everyone up to date with whats happening: what judges are avail for current round, who's stunting in the current round, who's stunting in the next round (and when that'll be) ... etc, stuff along that lines, as well ofcourse with an overview of the comp which shows schedules and points etc.
I must admit I am looking forward to this even more now, being clear that we will have 2 great organisors who are actually willing to put some time and effort into trying to improve the concept before rushing into it. I'll be down for whatever happens.
I MIGHT be a bit more selective of participants as we had a few no-shows last time around (I did anyway - it ain't the same winning by default, although it was the only won I got!)
Indeed, that was quite a problem in the last comp. It was a shame to see such a large number of no-show matches.
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I totally liked Kingjad's idea, and I think you guys got everyone's votes to be the organizers
I look foward to this
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Well, bugger me - me and Brulla gots some planning to do then
BJ, me and Brulla will decide and approach folk to be judges, but you NEED to be active man. Now you've come back to GTAS, are ya gonna stay like a good boy or bugger off when Jenny tries to tickle your ears? You were gone for so long and suddenly you're back and people are checking their underwear to see if it's really true or not, so will you plan to stay?
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Sweet sounds awsome
Can't wait for this to start
I also think if VA was out that would be awsome to have challenges in
Good luck with starting this project up guys
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I'm not back as in going to be posting all the time and stunting and stuff (atm anyway). I won't be on all the time but I will check GTAS every few hours (after school of course). I understand that I've been gone for ages and perhaps you should reconsider asking me.
I admit to being, well, unreliable. The bike skinning tut, never finished it. I still owe um, I think his name was Rat Boy, a PCJ and I've not been stunting for a new USS video. I think that before I'm made judge that the forum should decide.
Poll, anyone? It'd make me feel better knowing that the majority don't mind me judging rather than a few people deciding, not trying to offend. I'd feel better knowing that the majority don't want me judging too, I don't want people feeling annoyed at you guys and me. I do feel like I let some people down, especially X and the rest of USS. But anyway, we'll see.
Regards.
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The forum won't decide shit BJ as to who gets to judge, that's up to me and Brulla as organisers seems official now that's what we are at least.
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Well it's your call. I'll make you a deal. You scare Jenny shitless so she'll leave me alone and stop randomly sniffing me and I'll judge and commit to it.
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As long as I'm a judge I'm happy.
And like you guys have been saying the whole topic variety and change is good so I'm all for the new setup.
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ist all turning out well with the GTASL 3 video i'm doing the Loser Round atm and finished that about 20%, i will be at home the weekend and have just a couple of hours school next week so ill try and edit as much as i can. so this GTASL 4 can continue with no problems.
GL both of you, i hope i can participate in this !
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goooooooooo kingjad ! :3
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woot, im defiantly gonna be a competitor.
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can i be against you Â
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well not in the first few rounds, i wanna atleast get some where.
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As long as I'm a judge I'm happy.
And like you guys have been saying the whole topic variety and change is good so I'm all for the new setup.
Same
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what about VCSL, i mean if we call it GTASL outsiders might think its SA to which is not true, call it "VCSL" like SA has "SASL".
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Thanks for the support guys! Hopefully other people will be ok with us running this thing too. It's up to the community.
The forum won't decide shit BJ as to who gets to judge, that's up to me and Brulla as organisers seems official now that's what we are at least.
And don't let the big mean Kingy scare ya. I've always thought that we decide things here together. I'm always listening to what other people say and anyone who wants to suggest anything at all, please go ahead and contact me.
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King tries to be scary but he isn't really. I just picture an angry Scotsman at a PC and laugh
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Just so you know, I'm still keen to be one of the judges for this. Good luck with the organisation guys.
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^same
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Just so you know, I'm still keen to be one of the judges for this. Good luck with the organisation guys.
Same here, im up for a judging job.
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Same as the guys above
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So those 4+ me? lol or would we be going for 7 judges this year?
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5 main, 2 back-up?
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Alright, main for me. I told NoAPOlogies I dibs judge for the big 4 half way through 3 started lmao.
He technically still is the GTASL overseer right?
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Kingjad, go ahead and start the league
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Fuck that, waiting on GTASL3 vid will talk to Brulla about organising a sign-up topic soon, though. We may have specifications...
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Fuck that, waiting on GTASL3 vid will talk to Brulla about organising a sign-up topic soon, though. We may have specifications...
This "waiting on GTASL3 vid", is that something you say or are you actually doing that? If you really are waiting for it, why? I don't get it.
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I think if they started it now it would seem like a 'starting the new league before the old one is over' kind of scenario. I'm up for stunting in this, and reckon Juan, Demonfade, Ofthemountain and Ralleee would all be great as judges .
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Thanks dude. And yeah, VenomX is right, it's maybe stupid to start a new league before the last league video is finished
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Don't worry, I think it shouldn't start before a couple of weeks.
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Don't worry, I think it shouldn't start before a couple of weeks.
Why?
EDIT:
Sorry if I sound a bit stressful. I just really want to take part in this and if it takes too long I might not be able to (so saying I want it to start quickly might've been selfish only). I understand, it's better to get it as good organized as possible, instead of rushing into things. Take your time and make this the best stunting league so far, I think you can.
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Letsdo it tomorrow
Iwont be able to stunt after july, maybe
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Thank you Alex, I'm an odd element on the forums
I kind of agree with others on this, I should hope this league doesn't take quite as long as the last one. Same with the video you are "waiting for" I'm not really waiting for it. I mean you could piece it together in your head even, we saw all the clips obviously so we could just start this up but your choice ultimately I suppose haha.
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Don't worry, I think it shouldn't start before a couple of weeks.
Why?
EDIT:
Sorry if I sound a bit stressful. I just really want to take part in this and if it takes too long I might not be able to (so saying I want it to start quickly might've been selfish only). I understand, it's better to get it as good organized as possible, instead of rushing into things. Take your time and make this the best stunting league so far, I think you can.
Do it, fuck tackleberry
J/k
if your really going to do that Brulla i will be able to finish the video ! i'm taking a break this weekend and will continue next week.
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I'd like to make a suggestion about the upcoming league and thought it was too off topic to post in the sign up thread, so I thought I'd post it here.
I think this year an editor should be determined before the competition. This means that the editor can record each rep as it is posted to save the trauma of recording all stunts at once. All that would be needed is that participants are requested to post their bike & player skin at the same time as their rep. They could also edit the video as the tournament goes along in small chunks, meaning it's less of a mammoth task and that the video can be out quite soon after the tournament finishes.
Comments?
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Don't worry, I think it shouldn't start before a couple of weeks.
Why?
EDIT:
Sorry if I sound a bit stressful. I just really want to take part in this and if it takes too long I might not be able to (so saying I want it to start quickly might've been selfish only). I understand, it's better to get it as good organized as possible, instead of rushing into things. Take your time and make this the best stunting league so far, I think you can.
Do it, fuck tackleberry
J/k
if your really going to do that Brulla i will be able to finish the video ! i'm taking a break this weekend and will continue next week.
You've been editing several other videos for the past 3-4 weeks while still editing this one (if I remember correctly). Sounds kinda weird, don't you think? I'm not being offensive or anything, cause I know how hard it is to edit a huge video, it's just that if it keeps going on like this, the video might come out only next year. lol.
Edit: Speaking of the video, can you reveal how much have you done already? %'s?
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I'd like to make a suggestion about the upcoming league and thought it was too off topic to post in the sign up thread, so I thought I'd post it here.
I think this year an editor should be determined before the competition. This means that the editor can record each rep as it is posted to save the trauma of recording all stunts at once. All that would be needed is that participants are requested to post their bike & player skin at the same time as their rep. They could also edit the video as the tournament goes along in small chunks, meaning its less of a mammoth task and that the video can be out quite soon after the tournament finishes.
Comments?
That sounds like a good idea to me.
Now we just need someone who's willing to take it on.
(Personally I'd love to see you and Venom do it, as you guys are my favourite editors at the moment, but I'd understand if ya couldn't do it, or wouldn't want to do it)
Either way, great idea, and I agree with it totally.
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It would make sense for a judge to edit
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Great idea, ofthemountain. It's making it alot easier for the editor and we won't wait for the video as long as previous stunting leagues
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Shut it Kingy
Yeah, I'm with Dannye on this, Venomx + Ofthemountain should edit this. As for your suggestion OTM, that's pretty much up to the editor if he wants to do it in parts (means that the raw clips would lie around ~5 months) or in one session. But sure, we should ask if there were people who wanted to edit this. I'd like you and Venomx to do it .
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OK, at first I was repelled by the idea thinking about what happened last time, but after discussing how we would do it and organising what we would do, we have agreed that we can manage this (we would do it the way I suggested earlier). I can't say no to you two after all .
So we have agreed that we would be up for the job.
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*Tries to find a suitable smiley*
Aha, here we go:
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sweet, this time it will be completed within mot\nths of the gtasl finishing.
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Shouldn't be more than a week or two after it finishes to be honest, we'll be recording during the actual league this time, so progress will be MUCH faster.
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who's editing..??
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Sweet and I will be editing this!(http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2326/jajajadi7.gif)