GTAStunting
GTAStunting Leagues => Past Stunt Leagues => GTAStunting League - Vice City => GTASL 3 => Topic started by: NoAPOlogies on May 16, 2007, 09:06:03 AM
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Challenge 1: Perform the best combo grind in either the VC docks or downtown VC. The grind must take place within one of those areas but the run-up can be outside the area.
Challenge 2: Perform the best packerbump in Portland Island in LC. Once again, the run up can be outside the island but the bump and landing must be within the confines of Portland Island.
Challenge 3: Perform the best natural terrain stunt with a car on the third island of VC (the one with the airport/docks, etc...).
Please post your reps and optional vids in this topic before the deadline, you have 7 days. Remember, you must perform all three challenges.
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Wow 3 challenges
Good luck Daffy
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Wow, that looks great, good luck both .
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Challenge 3: Perform the best natural terrain stunt with a car on the third island of VC (the one with the airport/docks, etc...).
Runnin' out of challenges? .. good luck both
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Gotta love the 3rd challenge If you go near my spots I will bite your head off though.
Good luck
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Good Luck,
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GL Daffy
I need too see 1 challenge .
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I said on MSN yesterday I will skullfuck the competition if I bother about this.
But oh no daf's job might get in the way even though I work shifts probably 2-3 times as long as him. Probably spend about a 100th of the time on this too lol.
However I will say goodluck and thanks to all the judges and special thanks to NoAPOlogies for making this all possible, was fun man. You all will look forward to seeing me judge GTASL4 I know you will.
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Gotta love the 3rd challenge If you go near my spots I will bite your head off though.
Good luck
There's no way they can find car stunts as good as yours, don't worry.
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The third one is going to be funny, GL guys
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Good luck guys!
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I must say.....this SL has lasted a long ass time..... I wanna see some damn results already...lol.... GL peeps
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GL both , this is gonna be interesting
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I must say.....this SL has lasted a long ass time..... I wanna see some damn results already...lol.... GL peeps
Come on now Nitz, you know we're worth the wait
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I've got spots in mind for 1 and 3 havn't tried anything yet and I won't till probably tomorrow if not monday.
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I guess it's about time to do my first car stunt
Good luck Demonfade.
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Go Daffy.
Huh 3 Challenges..
GL Demonfade.
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Bad luck to both of you.
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YEAH FUCK YOU GUYS!
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Yeah, you guys suck!! Oh wait...
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Good lUck
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I most likely won't even bother about this just so you know...
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I most likely won't even bother about this just so you know...
Stop with your self-pity and "oh-im-so-busy-i-cant-stunt" and go land something! I wanna see a competition mayne!
GL both btw
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This is very disappointing guys, I really am getting irritated that I spend many hours a week keeping this damn thing in line, and some of you guys can't even participate. I take it as a personal insult that I spend as much time and effort on this while you guys decide you just want to give up. Maybe I should give up too.
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I have to agree with NoA, not only for him who has put down a lot of time in organizing this but for those who actually stunt for this too.
If i actually spend a week trying to the best stunts i can and then having my opponent puss out again so i could've done a polebump instead is annoying and feels like a waste of time.
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What's wrong with polebumps?
No seriously, Ive landed a 110 ft pole bump but landed on the floor, ask feron
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You got my point.
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@Daffy: Meh, land something good and put it in a vid. That's what I did.
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I have to agree with NoA, not only for him who has put down a lot of time in organizing this but for those who actually stunt for this too.
If i actually spend a week trying to the best stunts i can and then having my opponent puss out again so i could've done a polebump instead is annoying and feels like a waste of time.
I don't like you but your full of shit and well I didn't want to say shit but I'm pretty much stopping stunting altogether so don't feel bad NoAPOlogies just I've had a lot of shit going on lately and I don't have the time that daf has so he can blab all the fuck he wants I don't care I'll try to get something perhaps tomorrow but no promises.
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You still have 2 and a half days from now.
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I don't like you but your full of shit
You're pretty good yourself.
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My Submission:
http://media.putfile.com/SL3M5 (http://media.putfile.com/SL3M5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-8c_nGYAMc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-8c_nGYAMc)
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damnit fuck
i had the idea for that bsm to grind
gj anyways though
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Awesome stunts Daffy. The grind was very nicely done but it would of been better if you didnt get stuck.. But either way you'd prolly end up bailing it in the water.
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That was fucking awesome man!!!
The BSM 2 grind is nice and LC p2b is amazing...The car stunt was nice too, but the p2b, oh damn, it really rocks!!!
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Nice stuff Daffy, too bad DF is gonna pwn you.
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Very nice collection of stunts there Daff.
I had been working at that car grind also, but I am glad you got it, because there is absolutely no way I could have executed it so perfectly.
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That was fucking awesome man!!!
The BSM 2 grind is nice and LC p2b is amazing...The car stunt was nice too, but the p2b, oh damn, it really rocks!!!
x666 yes :headbag:
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What's wrong with polebumps?
No seriously, Ive landed a 110 ft pole bump but landed on the floor, ask feron
 you told me once i guess
anyways GL to both may the best man win this
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damn daffy I was trying to make that p2b for my ZS audition The rest stunts was awesome btw
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BSM 2 was just amazing, and the LC p2b too.
And the Car Grind was cool^^
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Car grind was clearly the best of the three . Brilliant stunts Daf-fy!
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NOOO DAFFY MY P2B !!!
i lost my p2b there GJ
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Nice car grind Daffy. You finished the rail well
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that BSM to grind rocked, great job .
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Nifty stunts, I should've checked challenges I thought it was staunton for the PB. I did a grind a bit ago my car stunt is still half ass, funny it's in the same area.
P.S About daf's PB the new .col files for LC are allowed?
Lots of love ~Tony
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I thought about that myself and i do seem to recall it being allowed as it is an official update.
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NOOO DAFFY MY P2B !!!
i lost my p2b there GJ
Dude, many have been trying that p2b, it's been posted here too.
Anyways, awesome stunts Daffy. You're fucking crazy.
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NOOO DAFFY MY P2B !!!
i lost my p2b there GJ
Dude, many have been trying that p2b, it's been posted here too.
Anyways, awesome stunts Daffy. You're fucking crazy.
I have a even pwnager p2b done to that roof. MSN if you want to see it.
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NOOO DAFFY MY P2B !!!
i lost my p2b there GJ
Dude, many have been trying that p2b, it's been posted here too.
Anyways, awesome stunts Daffy. You're fucking crazy.
I have a even pwnager p2b done to that roof. MSN if you want to see it.
I'm sure you did Torque. If you did it in the league, you might still be here
Updated .col files are allowed. It was a while ago but I did ok them.
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Awww....I've been trying that car grind on and off for a year. Its a bitch because the tree in the way. I will continue trying to finish the grind though, I've only gotten a little further where you dropped off.
I guess Daffy is going to win this one, because you didnt even submit to all of the challenges. Good luck though
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Here are my 3 submissions I just decided to do a PB last minute hope you like my stunts because I couldn't be bothered. Props to daf for downloading the .col files I'm against it anyways. I'm kidding I love you man haha.
All in all I shall say once more, I had fun in this stunting league and I'm look forward to judging GTASL4 thanks to all the judges and competitors and supporters for making this enjoyable and the best SL yet.
L8r.
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Can somebody make clip please?
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Brulla: I finished the grind...
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Brulla: I finished the grind...
I was replying to Demonfade's post where he posted only 2 reps (one of them was the car challenge). Seems he deleted that post and edited the next one. Your grind was executed well, as I already said on the last page
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Oh ok.
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Great stunts daff, what was that song?
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Can some one clip Demonfags stunts? i r lazy.
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NOOO DAFFY MY P2B !!!
i lost my p2b there GJ
Dude, many have been trying that p2b, it's been posted here too.
Anyways, awesome stunts Daffy. You're fucking crazy.
I have a even pwnager p2b done to that roof. MSN if you want to see it.
I'm sure you did Torque. If you did it in the league, you might still be here
Too bad I didn't get any p2b challenges or challenges where I would've been allowed to do it.
BURN!
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Can some one clip Demonfags stunts? i r lazy.
I could care less if you see them Feron.
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Great stunts daff, what was that song?
Millencolin - Kemp
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plzz make a clip DF..
and Daffy your stunts where awsome dude... i think you gonna win this round dude
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plzz make a clip DF..
and Daffy your stunts where awsome dude... i think you gonna win this round dude
I'm just checking forums as of now I won't be on till prob next week sometime l8r. Someone else can clip haha.
Only people that really need to watch them are the judges anyways and they should check the .rep's instead get better cam angles and such.
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I'll clip the reps for you man, PM me your skin. (the clip will be up tommorow)
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Meh, personally i'll look at the clips first since reps run painfully slow on my comp. In the end though I wind up looking at the reps.
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Demonfade's Submission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86L-MUGjR1M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86L-MUGjR1M)
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Lost that p2b (Demonfade's), interesting round, gl to both.
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GL to both but i think Daffy is a bit better...
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Nice job Daffy.
I had only a bit problem with DF's cargrind, and it was the length.
Nice jobs
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This is the best GTASL match I've ever seen, great job guys.
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Demonfade's p2b rocked This is really one of the best matches in gtasl 3
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I declare this match...
a TIE!!!
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Lost that p2b (Demonfade's).
Me too, I did it un-modded now , great match .
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Damn those both owned. I really like DF's p2b. And Daffy your p2b...I dont even think I've looked at that building before. crazy
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DF's stunts were crazy
GL to both of them.
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Woah awesome stunts both i love the bsm to grind by Daffy GJ both
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crazy match doods
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Wow, you both came through big time for this. Your p2bs were huge, and your grinds were damn nice. Good luck judges
1950th post
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Awesome stunts both
This is gonna be hard to judge
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Speaking off judges... any votes yet?
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They can't vote until the deadline is up.
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The deadline is over.
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Sorry I lied I guess, I had 5 mins so I'd check this shit out. I'm heading out for dinner but thanks Aenima for the comment.
Shit where are my manners... I just noticed DaF-fy! clipped my stunts big thanks to you man. I even liked the editing on it haha. If it's not a bother send me it over msn I really liked it man, including the song.
Cheers. ~Tony
P.S if anyone was wondering... not sarcasm^
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I'll have to upload it at school tomorrow, i was bored out of my mind and thought i'd check the reps and make a short video of it so the file is there.
Which format, resolution and bitrate would you like, it takes only 10-15 minutes to render so i can be flexible
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hi daffy
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Awesome Daffy The bsm 2 Grind ownd
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Here's the short video.
http://download.yousendit.com/04E084AD3F270545 (http://download.yousendit.com/04E084AD3F270545)
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i'm waiting for green light from NoA
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Demonfade stunts was better than Daffy stunts
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i'm waiting for green light from NoA
Go ahead and vote judges. I gotta go to work soon so i'll vote when I come back. Remember that you are to treat each challenge as a seperate match.
Ex:
Challenge 1: My vote goes to...
Challenge 2: My vote goes to...
Challenge 3: My vote goes to...
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Results please... focus is solely on this match now as the other one went down the shitter
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Challenge 1:
Daffy's Stunt: Outstanding distance!! Run up on those boats are pretty piss poor if I do say so myself. The most impressive thing was the 630-something2grind. The grind was executed very cleanly and you maintained your balance very well. Its too bad you didn't make it all the way across the rail though.
Demonfade's Stunt: Similar rotation as Daffy's but the bump off a plain ramp was less impressive. Run up for that stunt it pretty crummy as well and you did grind as far as you could've gone. However, I think Daffy's BSM was more impressive, more difficult and overall a better stunt than this one.
My vote for challenge 1 goes to Daffy.
Challenge 2:
Daffy's Stunt: You know, the run-up in that area seems pretty good, but the ally you go through is a pain the ass. There's random imperfections in the road and boxes to navigate through. Otherwise the run-up is enormous so you expect awesome height. Landing on that high ass roof is also tough since it is fairly small and there isn't a secondary roof to land on if you overshoot. Its something I do where I aim for certain roofs that are boardered by others in case I overshoot or fall off.
Demonfade's Stunt: Outstanding distance and height!! You had plenty of run-up and your run-up was smoother than Daffy's. Both landings were really tough but the edge in that department goes to you DF. Not only is the bridge a fairly small target (width wise), there's a gaping hole in the middle where the road splits and there are barriers to mess up your landing. You hit one such barrier when you landed.
My vote for challenge 2 goes to Demonfade.
Challenge 3:
Checks challenges: I didn't say "car grind" did I?
Daffy's Stunt: Upside down grinds are pretty darn awesome. The grind was nice and pretty long. You had good balance as well which I like to see in grinds.
Demonfade's Stunt: It really looked like you just didn't have enough time for this one. If you had not hit that tree your grind might have been longer than Daffy's and you might've had my vote for this one. Buuuuuttttttt...
Daffy gets my vote for Challenge 3.
To recap:
Challenge 1: Daffy
Challenge 2: Demonfade
Challenge 3: Daffy
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Just for what it's worth, my P2B bump has an angle so it usually throws you away from the building, that was the 3rd time in 4 days i got the angle i needed, the other was an overshot and a slip-off.
Also the other crap outside the stores mess up the camera angle so it's kinda hard to see when you're gonna hit the bump.
The angle used to record it was horrible and made it look a lot easier than it was, the stats i got was 246-133ft if i remember correctly.
And not to be bitchy but those "barriers" you talked about works more like a ramp
Just in case you were thinking something else i'm not trying to change the judges minds, only let them know the difficulty of my "main" stunt
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Barriers = obstacles, kinda fucks with your landing anyway. I saw the reps though before I made my decision and i've tried stunts in that spot and the little overhangs on the stores messes with the camera angle. Just letting you know what went through my little head when I saw the reps and clips.
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Do I vote, noapo?
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Let me do a roll call for everyone first. I thought someone said they couldn't vote but that may have been last week. I'd say, get the reps/vids and make your decision. Post it ONLY if I say someone dropped out.
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Haha they are a bitch and it's why Eddeman never bothered to land that stunt. Sorry about the car grind I did have a longer one but I didn't like it my loss I suppose. As for the combo grind I found it ironic I did a daf challenge against him. Lots of love DaF-fy! Thank you for the video also. Good luck man. Our stunts were similar yet so different.
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Challenge 1:
Daffy's Stunt: very sweet rotation before the grind, and it was also done from BSM, which made it a lot harder to get on the rail. but the fact you got stuck is a big minus.
Demonfade's Stunt: awesome spin2grind, that grass ramp is pretty tricky and you had to go much to the right. the landing also was tricky
My vote for challenge 1 goes to Demonfade.
Challenge 2:
Daffy's Stunt: very tricky p2b. you had a small area to bump and the wall at your right, so you needed to go only up, no ft left. the roof also wasn't small. hard p2b great executed.
Demonfade's Stunt: the run-up you had was enormous, so even tho the distance was big, it wasn't THAT big. the landing zone seemed tricky but landing on BB still would've been better.
My vote for challenge 2 goes to Daffy.
Challenge 3:
Daffy's Stunt: nice car grind, it was not that short and you grinded it till the end. the rotation on the grind was the thing i didn't really liked, but it was still a nice grind.
Demonfade's Stunt: you were going to a grind, but you got some spin on the rail and it was short, so i can't really call it a grind. Daffy got some spin too, but it was different and his stunt was more grind-alike.
Daffy gets my vote for Challenge 3.
To recap:
Challenge 1: Demonfade
Challenge 2: Daffy
Challenge 3: Daffy
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To recap so far:
Demonfade-Daffy
Challenge 1: 1-1
Challenge 2: 1-1
Challenge 3: 0-2
Remember each challenge is a seperate match so so far 2 of the 3 matches are tied while Demonfade is down 0-2 in challenge 3.
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Challenge 1
Daffy: Crazy distance and spin in the air and a pretty smooth grind, it looked really sweet. Shame you got stuck, grinding to the end would have made it that much sweeter.
Demonfade: You got a nice spin from that ramp, and the grind was at a hard angle. Grinded all the way to the end (even if it wasn't that long of a grind) and a little spin at the end.
My vote goes to Demonfade
Challenge 2
Daffy: The bump has a real tricky angle (I know from experience) that makes it hard to get the right direction, you had real nice air movement and it looked impressive.
Demonfade: Another tough packerbump (that I also know from experience, lol) with a lot of distance. Awesome landing on that one, though I was a bit bummed that there wasn't any rotation on the stunt itself.
My vote goes to Demonfade on this one, by the width of a hair. Both had really nice stunts.
Challenge 3
Daffy: A clean grind even though the car was rotating a bit, very well executed and I don't think it could have been done much better.
Demonfade: It was a nice idea, but not very well done. I would have liked to see a bit more of a grind, though there wasn't much wrong with the small part you managed to grind.
My vote goes to Daffy
To recap (haha copypasta):
Challenge 1: Demonfade
Challenge 2: Demonfade
Challenge 3: Daffy
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Damn this is exciting.
Demonfade-Daffy
Challenge 1: 2-1
Challenge 2: 2-1
Challenge 3: 0-3
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Whoa! Put in work, if ya scared go to church. Hardcore stunts from both of you. By far the best match until date. Although I think that your car grind didn't share the same greatness of your other stunts, Demonfade.
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Whoa! Put in work, if ya scared go to church. Hardcore stunts from both of you. By far the best match until date. Although I think that your car grind didn't share the same greatness of your other stunts, Demonfade.
My other stunts were great? Thanks.
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Really really exiting mates, congratz.
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Challenge 1:
Daffy's Stunt: A perfect side bsm to grind. The bsm looked like it would have been quite difficult, needing the perfect line towards the grind, and the rail the bsm was on possibly making it difficult also. The airtime was beautiful, with lots of bike movement. The grind itself was great also, nice speed. Sure you didnt make it the whole way, but you made it most of the way, and you got stuck on a common spot which is often difficult to get past. Very nice combo stunt - and the fact that its a water gap makes it look cooler too.
Demonfade's Stunt: A nice natural grass bump to grind. The bump was executed quite well - you managed to pull off that angle needed to get ya onto the grind, which looked tough to do, especially considering the limitations of the runnup. The airtime was also quite nice, with good bike movement once again, which adds to the impressive-ness of the combo. The grind itself wasn't massive, but it made use of what was available - grinding all of the way to the end.
My vote for challenge 1 goes to Daffy. To me his grind combo was a more impressive one. The water hazard, the boat gap idea, the more airtime movement, the longer grind. Still, great stunts both of you, well done.
Challenge 2:
Daffy's Stunt: You had a maxi-big runnup, and thus I am glad to see that you utilised it really really well - in that your stunt had great distance and amazing height. I am sure the runnup was difficult, it looked like those two poles near the packer would have been the cause of many failed attempts. The pb itself looked hard, with that tiny little ledge thing to bump off. Also, the air movement was great too, sweet rotation you got there. It was a really great pb stunt, perfectly executed, with great height and distance, and a nice landing on a bloody tall roof to finish it off.
Demonfade's Stunt: Well that sure is one crazy replay file to watch - I had to settle watching the video to cast my vote for this, because the slowmo was distracting me . Another 'big' pb stunt, with a long runnup and another massive bump. This time it was more about distance than height. For the landing there was a relatively large amount of landing space so I was happy to see it landed so perfectly - the gap and spin was very cool. It was a bit lacking in the bike movement through the air department, but I guess it makes sense considering how much distance you needed.
My vote for challenge 2 goes to ... well, this one was tough to vote for, both were great stunts. I am going to give my vote to Daffy. It was a combination of a few things that put his over the line for me - the outragous height and still quite good distance, the awekwardness of the (small) bump and the line, and the airtime bike movement. A great match right here, t'was very tough to choose my preffered stunt, as both were perfectly done and both looked very cool.
Challenge 3:
Daffy's Stunt: That was a perfectly executed car grind combo man. Even though to some people it may not look too hard, I had tried this myself many times and I know it can be a tough cookie to get 'just right' - especially due to the tight gap to fit through at the end. Anyways, a nice bump, a nice half flip across the roof, a nice rooftop grind across the length of the wall, and a nice landing. This is a very good looking stunt, well done on nailing it so well.
Demonfade's Stunt: Another nice idea that I have tried enough to know of its difficulty. The natural bump often only gives you just enough height, so to pull off a good grind you need to hit that sloped early part of the rail just right. And you did hit it pretty good, its just a shame that the tree fucked you up so much. Sure the rotation brought about by it was kinda cool, it was nowhere near as cool as a completed (or even just 'more' completed) grind.
My vote for challenge 3 goes to Daffy. To me his nts was more impressive because it was so flawlessly executed. The half flip, the roof, the upsidedown grind, and making it through the gap at the end. Demonfade's was a sweet idea, and I am sure, if completed fully (which I am sure would take more time than this challenge allowed) would look fantastic.
To recap:
Challenge 1: Daffy
Challenge 2: Daffy
Challenge 3: Daffy
Great work both of you on a great match! Good luck to the winner in the finals.
And thanks for the vote template NoAP
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Tits is needed to vote.
Recap:
Demonfade - Daffy
Challenge 1: 2-2
Challenge 2: 2-2
Challenge 3: 0-4
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Oooh, this is a close match!
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Is all the votes counted or just the results of every challenge?
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Is all the votes counted or just the results of every challenge?
I'm pretty sure just the results of every challenge (which means the result only can become 2-1 to Demonfade, 1-2 to Daffy or 0-3 to Daffy). Right, NoAPOlogies?
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The way I saw it was that each challenge is kinda treated as a seperate match, so in a way you can think of it as three different challenges with the same competitors, and the person who wins two of the three challenges, wins out right.
I guess NoAP can clarify.
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Well, I apologize for not having voted yet. Im sorry about that, but hey, better late than never, right?
Challenge 1[/size]
Daffy:Damn, that is propably one of the most awesome bsm2grinds Ive ever seen. The air-time, the landing, the hardness... Shame you didn't get the whole grind, but it still doesn't take down the fact that this was a hardass stunt. Great one.
Demonfade:Another nice grind combo, looked wicked, it's one of those stunts where you think: "Why hasn't anyone tought of that one?".
My first challenge vote goes to Daffy. My mouth was wider open watching this stunt, meaning that this one is the better one to me.
Challenge 2[/size]
Daffy:Another great stunt, landing that roof was awesome. Nothing I can say really, a perfect p2b.
Demonfade:The landing of this stunt made it so much more impressive. I loved the landing, especially since it looked so perfect after that spin. Great stuff.
My 2nd challenge vote goes to Daffy. Even if Demonfades landing looked wicked, the height and overall perfectness of Daffy's p2b made me give the vote to him.
Challenge 2[/size]
Daffy:Awesome cargrind, perfectly landed, just perfect.
Demonfade:A nice idea, but no cigarr. Nicely done, that tree propably gave you a lot of headache.
My 3rd challenge vote goes to... Daffy. No question, his stunt was just the better one.
So, to sum up:
1st challenge: Daffy
2nd challenge: Daffy
3rd challenge: Daffy
Great going by both of you, it could have gone either way. I hate having to be the one giving these votes, as 1 of you has to loose. Keep stunting!
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Congrats Daffy.
This was really the best match ever, great job both of you.
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I say god damn that was close, awesome match Demonfade... you put up a hell of a fight and went down with your fist raised high
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Congratulations both of you for the match, I hope to see an exiting final xD
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Final scores:
Demonfade-Daffy
Challenge 1: 2-3
Challenge 2: 2-3
Challenge 3: 0-5
Daffy wins and will face Cdarmy in the finals!!!!
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Nicely done Daffy, now you only have Cdarmy to beat
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Will there be a round with Demonfade VS Sabotage so we get to see who gets the 3rd place?
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Id say Demonfade is third because Sabotage didnt submit anything..
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Very good point...
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I will tell him and for demonfade I say thank you.
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Cdarmy vs. Daffy! that will be awesome final
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I can't see why it would be better than this match, but yeah, it will hopefully be nice. If Daffy can top this we can be sure to see some worldclass stunting.
I'm not saying Cdarmy isn't such a good stunter, it's just he hasn't impressed as much as Daffy in this competition so far. Hopefully he surprises me though.
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I gave 5-10%. Stair steps to quite a day. Always look forward, don't look back... don't ever look back.
CDarmy cheats, so why would it be good? I come to these forums for a laugh and it sure does the job.
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Good match this
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Daff,what was the song you used in DF's submission?
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Powerman 5000 - Danger Is Go
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Sweety you could've asked me I had the Discog.
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Congratulations on an awesome match guys.
Good luck in the finals, Daffy.
And good job Demonfade...you had an awesome run.
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this is gonna be very interresting hmmm.....
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You're interesting...
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You're interesting...
am i now, how plz explain
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Not happening, you wrote "plz" and gave me no reason to answer.
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Not happening, you wrote "plz" and gave me no reason to answer.
wtf, anyway GL to both daffy and cdarmy this should be even closer than the last 1 with daffy and demonfade!
WOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!
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When is the final match?
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It's supposed to start today according what NoA told me.
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sweet GL daffy and u 2 cd
HEY 100 posts woot
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No one cares about your post count.
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ok but im saying GL to u and cdarmy and that was just nothing me just congratulating myself so u go land sum stuff and stop wrrying, and good luck