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Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 06, 2006, 10:06:39 AM
WARNING

This vid is NOT about 160ft p2b´s. This has nothing to do with high roofs or WOW stunts what so ever. This vid is about what i always liked about VC, what i wanted to do. Dont know if you understand what im trying to say here...This will be my last VC vid.






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Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Xtramus on May 06, 2006, 10:13:09 AM
DLing, first post :grin:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Nitzkit on May 06, 2006, 10:13:14 AM
DLing...interesting post...
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: corevil on May 06, 2006, 10:20:37 AM
dling...
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Sweet2 on May 06, 2006, 10:20:37 AM
This was such an awesome vid.

the triple stoppie to grind and that last infernus wallride was :o

10/10, and im going to up to TGA now.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Sadness on May 06, 2006, 10:25:48 AM
downloading :o
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Nagual on May 06, 2006, 10:27:04 AM
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This was such an awesome vid.

the triple stoppie to grind and that last infernus wallride was :o

10/10, and im going to up to TGA now.
Sweet: SWEET! filefront is bitchy.

Kert: Looking forward to seeing this, you know I dig stylish ;)
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Turtle Dick on May 06, 2006, 10:27:27 AM
As I said to the mta doods, pwnage vid!
Intro pwned, the part where you disappeared is awesome.
I already told you which stunts I liked, so yeah, great vid. :bowdown:

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Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Tackleberry on May 06, 2006, 10:32:48 AM
I've told you what I think, but I haven't been able get rid off the wow-feeling I got when watching the car wallrides and the last stunt.

So you lied, there are "WOW stunts" in this video...

Nice one Kert! ;)
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Nitzkit on May 06, 2006, 10:48:34 AM
kick ass vid dude, the wallrides and the stoppie grinds were cool, nice use of the bus too. very nice vid. "The New York Times gives it 2 thumbs up"

(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8053/thumbup7pp.gif) (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8053/thumbup7pp.gif)
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: DeathCobra on May 06, 2006, 10:57:17 AM
Oadling mate :)
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Fugitive on May 06, 2006, 10:59:16 AM
Awsome solo, one of my fovourites. There were some great stunts (like the wallrides and much more. I can't write them now, because there were too much).

9/10 because the editing wasn't very good.

 :o
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 06, 2006, 11:05:14 AM
:bowdown:  Nitzy and other people who gave nice comments...

What couldve been better ?(Fugi)....i thought that this kind of editing  fits the song, and the stunts...for me it was the best i could do i guess. Cheers anyway.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: M!kE333 on May 06, 2006, 11:44:40 AM
I would like to download it, but FF gives me an average of 8 kb/s....

TGA PLS!!!! :angry:
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 06, 2006, 11:50:18 AM
TGA link in 35mins...Sweet said so.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: M!kE333 on May 06, 2006, 11:52:49 AM
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TGA link in 35mins...Sweet said so.
Thank you Kert!! You saved my life from suicide!! :D  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Torque on May 06, 2006, 12:04:10 PM
DLing...
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kingjad on May 06, 2006, 12:15:04 PM
Awesome vid, cool intro - kert is awesome VC stunter :)  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Sweet2 on May 06, 2006, 12:26:44 PM
TGA link.

http://www.thegamersalliance.com/?do=dynamic&id=3740 (http://www.thegamersalliance.com/?do=dynamic&id=3740)
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: NoAPOlogies on May 06, 2006, 12:31:36 PM
Holy shit! That was an awesome vid!

The grinds were really good and the triple stoppie to grind was unreal!  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: NuclearDeath on May 06, 2006, 01:16:06 PM
Very nice,nice grind an wallride infernus!
Edit is not very very good but good ;)

9/10!
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 06, 2006, 01:25:18 PM
Lol whats up with the editing-hate...i was very pleased how it all turned out...Just a different style maybe  :huh:  :P  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Neo Anderson on May 06, 2006, 01:50:48 PM
Awesome vid dude all the way. The wall rides kicked ass :bowdown:
Nice use of the buses with the grinds also. 10/10
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: DeathCobra on May 06, 2006, 02:29:57 PM
Oadling from FF didnt work, left it for 2 hours and got 21% at 1.9kbps :grin:
Oadling from TGA now, thanks sweet :)

Great vid, best solo ive seen in a while. Those infernus wallrides made me shit a brick :o 9/10
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: corevil on May 06, 2006, 03:36:23 PM
kert u're so fucking cool...

i appretiate the fact your way of stunting is kinda different!

9/10 stunting
7/10 editing
8/10 mzk
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Jason on May 06, 2006, 04:26:30 PM
dude that vid was great. everytime i see a vc vid its always better than the last. yours is definitaly a keeper. 10/10 :)  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Juan on May 06, 2006, 05:12:29 PM
Awsome vid kert, we talked about it in the msn convo yesterday after you left and we all agreed it pwned.
Kingjad's download failed like three times while we were in the convo. :lol:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kingjad on May 06, 2006, 05:32:05 PM
Up yours, Juanny the fanny :P  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Sweet2 on May 06, 2006, 06:14:11 PM
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Awsome vid kert, we talked about it in the msn convo yesterday after you left and we all agreed it pwned.
Kingjad's download failed like three times while we were in the convo. :lol:
Oh yeah, it was hilarious.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Dannye on May 06, 2006, 07:48:31 PM
How dare you torment us like this Kert.

Release such an awesome VC stunt video, and then say its your last.

Seriously, this vid was amazing, a brilliant solo effort, with some bloody amazing stunts (that massive infernus wallride being one of them).

Really good job dude. And feel free to break your promise and do a VC vid sometime down the track, cause this one was just so good  :P  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: PlethZorb on May 06, 2006, 08:28:14 PM
Dling with anticipation. :grin:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: m3rrix on May 06, 2006, 11:04:14 PM
A top vid from one of the best.
I really doubt that this will be your last though. :lol:
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 07, 2006, 01:51:16 AM
Wanna bet :lol:

 :bowdown:  For all the comments.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: WEREWOLF on May 07, 2006, 01:53:51 AM
Good vid, some really cool stunts, that last Infernus wallride was so sick! But you got into BusStoppies a lot, imo. Editing was ok, music wasn't good.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Jason on May 07, 2006, 02:16:53 AM
i dont see anything wrong with the music :D  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 07, 2006, 02:32:08 AM
me 2, its ok, personal taste is what matters today...
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: WEREWOLF on May 07, 2006, 02:38:42 AM
i was monotonous ;)
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 07, 2006, 05:13:46 AM
:lol:  ok...
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kingjad on May 07, 2006, 06:05:35 AM
WEREWOLF - I thought you were Russian :huh:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Liviu on May 07, 2006, 06:07:24 AM
The stunts mostly rocked (last wallride :o or the triple stoppie) but the muic kinda made it less enjoyable, i didnt like it that much  :huh: Editing was ok, never the less a cool vid because of such awsome stunts
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: WEREWOLF on May 07, 2006, 06:45:03 AM
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WEREWOLF - I thought you were Russian :huh:
I thought you were Scottish :huh:


don't see the logic :huh:
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Lord Peres on May 07, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
Amazing vid! A lot of original ideas and creative stunts. I will do a extended comment because I really liked it ;)

Intro: nice and original

Stunts:
0:35 - Very cool, a good way to start the vid
0:46 - Good
0:54 - Nice find ;)
0:58 - Original p2b with a car
1:18 - Good (don't know if it's old  :unsure: )
1:24 - It must have been difficult but I don't like this type of stunt
1:40 - Very cool one
1:46 - I thought of doing a wallride with a car there but didn't think of putting the packer to help it. So congrats on this one ;)
2:00 - Very old one, still good though.
2:11 - Another original one
2:23 - I think it's old. Otherwise nothing amazing this one.
2:30 - Good
2:40 - Good p2b
2:50 - Nice bus-stoppie to grind
3:00 - Here I suppose you were trying the double bump to building but cool airgrab.
3:10 - Good
3:20 - Nice p2b
3:29 - Nice but too much bus-stoppies
3:40 - good
3:42 - Original BSM to top of the bilboard
3:54 - Good
4:06 - Original and cool
4:22 - Awesome, fantastic car wallride
4:40 - More than awesome :D

Editing was good, music too so in general a very good solo. Nice way to say goodbye if it's really your last one ;)


9'5/10
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 07, 2006, 08:15:24 AM
:bowdown:

Thanks dude
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Master_Yayo on May 07, 2006, 10:13:18 AM
DLING!!! WOOOO
EDIT: those stunts were awesome! very creative stuff like the rhino drop bump! this was the best vc solo vid of the 2nd quartere of the year i've seen so far. too bad it's ur last solo. very nice job! good music. :grin:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Brulla on May 07, 2006, 11:57:54 AM
That was just.....awesome  B)

I loved that pcj2skimmer switch  :bowdown:  and that loooong infernus wallride was extremely sexy  :o  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: CJD on May 07, 2006, 01:46:54 PM
Awesome vid kert kinda sad to hear its your last VC one

Stunts 10/10
Editing 9.5/10
Music 9.5/10
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 07, 2006, 02:18:27 PM
Thanks all of you...keep this up and ill do one more  :lol:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Urban Legend on May 07, 2006, 02:40:37 PM
downloadin...full review later
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: captainCORKY on May 07, 2006, 03:47:25 PM
wow great vid , i loved it , great editing and stunting , best stunt of the vid is the last imo it rocked , good job 9.5/10  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 07, 2006, 03:54:09 PM
:bowdown:

Note: i just did these stunts...didnt care if it was old or not...besides, i dunno whats old or new anyways...
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Question on May 07, 2006, 05:38:22 PM
96 mb...meh, sounds like worth a DL  :)  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: PlethZorb on May 07, 2006, 06:20:12 PM
9/10, unbelievable vid!!!
Triple Stoppie2Grind.............
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Fugitive on May 07, 2006, 11:57:27 PM
Ohhh sorry, wrong topic.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: WEREWOLF on May 08, 2006, 12:22:35 AM
Meh...


1) Intro
Nice lil intro

2) Stunts
0:35 - very cool double stoppie 2 grind
0:46 - didn't look amazing with that cam angles, but i guess it wasn't easy
0:54 - awesome find
0:58 - decent car p2b
1:18 - i'm tired of seeing palm p2bs in ocean beach even if it's on pizza boy
1:24 - nice, too bad you didn't grind to the end
1:40 - ninja also did it, i said to him he should try landing the highest part of the roof
1:46 - great wallie, but probably possible without a packer
2:00 - was done a lot of time ago
2:11 - interesting, but i didn't really like it. also i guess it was modded, cause i'm not sure you can get Infernus and tank on the roof
2:23 - done by Kairos
2:30 - nice
2:40 - good, similiar to NK's one
2:50 - cool
3:00 - fillerish
3:10 - good bsm
3:20 - done by 28, different run-up tho but still the same stunt
3:29 - not the best one - weak stoppie and short grind
3:40 - didn't look hard
3:42 - the air was small, but the landing was tough, but i guess it looked easier that it actually was
3:54 - cool wall bump 2 grind
4:06 - filler and it was modded also
4:22 - best car wallride ever made!
4:40 - yeah, cool, but it doesn't look that good in the end of the vid after a couple of bs2grinds before

3) Editing
It was ok, a lot of stunts-repeating, i didn't like it, and quite a lot of effects were used, so it was overedited, however good synching.

4) Music
you already know my opinion...

5) Overall
Good vid, if it's your last, then it was really solid for a last one.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 08, 2006, 01:24:47 AM
Thanks for writing a long review, cheers for that, although i dont agree with some of the stuff there....

overedited :blink:  wtf man, i used like a couple of effects, that black and white thing, and that blurry transfer from stunt to stunt and a couple of flashes. I suggest you watch multiply if you wanna see an overedited vid. But its all IMO, and if you think this was overedited, ok. Again, thanks for this long review. ;)  


Peace.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Eddeman on May 08, 2006, 02:11:05 AM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK, there goes me Infernus Wallride (the one to the roof). Now I'm gonna be pissed all day lol >.< Serves me right for not making a vid sooner I guess  :ph34r:

Anyway, I really liked this vid, something different from normal vids, can't really say what it is but it was nice :]

Edit: Actually, I know this is really gonna be Kert's last VC solo. Or even last stunt vid, cause I'm gonna fly to where he lives and kill him for that wallride ;p  :lol:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: WEREWOLF on May 08, 2006, 03:33:02 AM
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Thanks for writing a long review, cheers for that, although i dont agree with some of the stuff there....

overedited :blink:  wtf man, i used like a couple of effects, that black and white thing, and that blurry transfer from stunt to stunt and a couple of flashes. I suggest you watch multiply if you wanna see an overedited vid. But its all IMO, and if you think this was overedited, ok. Again, thanks for this long review. ;)  


Peace.
Multiply's editing can be compared to Necrosis editing, if Multiply is overedited, then Necrosis is overedited, which is not true, we know it :)

if you want, i can compare the "overediteness" of Multiply and your solo, but i doubt you wanna be your thread turning into this ;)
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Tackleberry on May 08, 2006, 03:52:09 AM
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Thanks for writing a long review, cheers for that, although i dont agree with some of the stuff there....

overedited :blink:  wtf man, i used like a couple of effects, that black and white thing, and that blurry transfer from stunt to stunt and a couple of flashes. I suggest you watch multiply if you wanna see an overedited vid. But its all IMO, and if you think this was overedited, ok. Again, thanks for this long review. ;) 


Peace.
Multiply's editing can be compared to Necrosis editing, if Multiply is overedited, then Necrosis is overedited, which is not true, we know it :)

if you want, i can compare the "overediteness" of Multiply and your solo, but i doubt you wanna be your thread turning into this ;)
I have to support Kert here. Multiply is overedited. Not because of the huge amount of effects (well, partly though), but because it isn't done in the best way. Necrosis has many effects too, but it's more well done than Multiply (you can't argue about that).

I'm not saying the editing in Multiply is bad, but it could've been better. Too many varieties of transitions IMO, but I know you don't agree.

I agree that Kert's vid doesn't have perfect editing either though.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kingjad on May 08, 2006, 04:46:35 AM
I trust Tack's judgement, he is one of the best editors on these fine forums :)  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Question on May 08, 2006, 05:34:15 AM
Incredible vid  :D 9/10 it's a keeper! But wtf the first stunt, 3:10, and 3:54 I was trying those exact stunts!!   :blink:  wierd...
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: bj070893 on May 08, 2006, 09:26:57 AM
Awesome work. BUT you used every single bloody stunt you sent in for Delta, I spent ages recording 65 .reps and I have to delete yours now <_<
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kingjad on May 08, 2006, 09:39:04 AM
Awww, poor BJnumbers :(

Kert, you suck for making his life more difficult!  Everyone knows I'm wanting Delta released ASAP cos for once I won't totally suck in a stunt video!
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 08, 2006, 09:44:06 AM
f ing great...cheers for this. Just used all the reps i had for my solo, didnt know which i sent to you. So im not in Delta?
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kingjad on May 08, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
kert - if all the reps you sent for Delta appeared in this solo, then I guess you are out of it... :(  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: bj070893 on May 08, 2006, 10:07:44 AM
I'll let you send some in IF you do it quick. I'm not in the best of moods.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 08, 2006, 10:30:06 AM
Nah, im out of VC now, oh well, do the vid without me then.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: bj070893 on May 08, 2006, 10:31:43 AM
:(

OK then.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: CJD on May 08, 2006, 11:27:48 AM
Hey kert why did infested get thanks? has he posted some good challenge spots or has he just helped out a hell of a lot?  :unsure:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 08, 2006, 11:33:41 AM
Nah, i think he´s just an ok dood. ;)  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kingjad on May 08, 2006, 01:53:23 PM
Cjd is jealous (does the 'Cjd is jealous' dance, complete with head-spinning and belly-flopping) :lol:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: infested on May 08, 2006, 02:06:24 PM
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Hey kert why did infested get thanks? has he posted some good challenge spots or has he just helped out a hell of a lot?  :unsure:
Because Kert and I slept together and if he thanked me I wouldn't tell. Oh... lol I just did...

*will edit post with a comment*
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Samurai on May 08, 2006, 09:19:26 PM
Bravo  :grin:


 
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 08, 2006, 09:42:14 PM
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Bravo  :grin:
 ;)  Thanks
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kabanchik on May 09, 2006, 04:22:36 AM
:o Kert!!!That was so cool!!!! It totaly worth downloading.!!
So many cool infernus grinds and other stuff and that BSM2BB :P
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Denny on May 09, 2006, 04:24:41 AM
WOW :o  :o
Cool vid dude :D  :D
 
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Brad on May 09, 2006, 05:08:42 AM
Dling.

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Haha, nice vid. :)
Congratz, good stunts, good music too..
Dude, what the programs name of maked ur intro?  ;)
Sry for my bad english lol.  :angry:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 09, 2006, 07:39:50 AM
I used Vegas 6.0...didnt think its worth to list all the stuff, like songs...the filesize wouldve been too big.
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: kr3mlin on May 11, 2006, 06:55:32 AM
Sorry for the late comments.

The stunting in this video. Im out of touch with whats hard or easy in VC stunting. But I find this great cos i can just enjoy the beautiful and original stunts you have layed out man. Really refreshing ideas and it gave me the nice feeling i got when i watched Found.

The editing was all good man. Positives were some nice synching and a particularly nice rotating shot of the blue infernus wallride at 4:25, i think you pulled it off nicely and cut to it at the right time. Only thing i found a bit off was repeating stunts that werent that spectacular and sometimes the use of the cinematic shot that didnt add to the stunt

Still dude and alot of proof that you should not leave VC behind :)
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kenny on May 12, 2006, 02:46:27 AM
Stunts - 9.5/10
0.34 - Graet grind combo, I was thinking of doing it without the stoppie on the shop's roof.
0.45 - Heh, creative BSM, and sweet camera angles.
0.54 - Your stunt fucked up my eyes lol j/k Nice one.
0.59 - Great infernus p2b. I would have looked harder if the cam angles were done by hand.
1.17 - Pwnage. I don't really do pizzaboy packerbumps much, but I know this one is pretty hard compared to the pizzaboy/faggio packerbumps I've seen (except Madmax's ofcourse :P) Great camera angles.
1.23 - Nice sideways BSM2grind. Would have looked alot better if you got off the rail at the first turn and even better if the grind was complete.
1.39 - Nice one.
1.45 - People do like infernus wallrides nowadays, do they.. Liked the landing on the bridge.. made me nervous if you would fall into the water :lol:
1.59 - Kaneda did that in Adrenaline with a wallride on that building. Still nice to see an undone variation.
2.11 - Interesting stunt. Made me wonder.
2.21 - I think it was done by Omni in Blown Away or someone in Tribute to Stunting.
2.30 - Pretty low BSM. The landing made the stunt better.
2.37 - Pwnage angle dude. I was trying something similar in LC, I did it, but I slid off. Never tried that stunt again.. Awesome stunt.
2.52 - Yay, another stoppie2grind on that rail! Lovely grind.
2.59 - Hmm.. good airgrab.
3.09 - Cam angles made the stunt look average.
3.18 - Reminded me of finallight's stunt in never waking up. Packerbump done by 28 in Fashcia, with another run up. Creative stunt.
3.28 - Never thought of busstoppieing there O_O Nice one.
3.37 - And to think that 28 doing that with PCJ was nice :lol:
3.42 - I don't like PCJs being in places where they aren't supposed to get. I'm not rating this stunt.
3.54 - Nice combo, made me wonder what you are going to do lol. Smooth grind.
4.03 - Not rating this stunt.
4.21 - MY EYES! Infernus wallride2wallride2roof :o kr3mlin must be sad someone did his stunt with a double wallride and landed on his roof with an Infernus :P Beautiful, awesome, spectacular stunt.
4.38 - One word. Pure Pwnage. I mean two words lol. And I thoght the double stoppie2grind was good :o That was sick. SICK!!

Music - 8/10 I did not like the main song, and the intro song was used by vERt in Evolution 4.

Intro - 9/10. Nice and plain

Editing - 9/10 Not really good, but not too much effects. Nice.

Overall - around 9.3/10 Keepr, surely, and great one.
 
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Cody on May 12, 2006, 06:40:49 AM
2 words kert...fuckin amazing :grin:  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: Kert on May 15, 2006, 04:37:08 PM
:bowdown:  Thanks for all these kind comments.  
Title: Kert´s last VC solo...
Post by: stuntman on May 18, 2006, 04:43:02 PM
only just clocked this, dling, u should ahve linked me K man  :P  
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